With the recent news that Microsoft has stopped supporting Windows XP with the security suite Microsoft Security Essentials, we’re hearing more reports about just how many computers are still running Windows XP, from government computers to machines at educational institutions and corporate enterprises. Those who used MSE will have to switch to something else, or upgrade their operating system.
As support for XP is also dropping early this year from Microsoft, aside from the proposed costly package of update provisions for those who have no other choice, many are choosing to upgrade their operating system at this time as well. There’s a few tips for Techs who have to manage clients who insist on sticking with XP, and a few tips for Techs who have to manage antivirus for their clients with updated operating systems.
I recently came across a new installation of an old antivirus program on a friend’s machine. Someone had possibly used it in the past and thought it was still good antivirus protection. It was good antivirus protection against threats faced back in the day it was developed. However, the type of detection method it used is rather outdated, so it’s not recommended anymore. It still gets updates from the developer, but it’s clunky and errors out often, and often deletes programs that are not malware at all.
Make sure that the antivirus solution you use is updated often, uses modern detection methods, and can protect against threats that your clients are likely to come across, based on their computing habits you’ve seen so far. That takes us to the second tip.
It’s true. Most of us who have been using the internet for a long time know what to look for when we get an email that has a sender name we recognize but the subject is a bit odd, or it has an attachment. We also know not to click on those flashing banners and fake ‘download’ buttons that are actually ads to take you to another website. We don’t visit websites that offer game hacks and cheats and download anything just desperate to get something that works, like many youngsters. We often know what to look for when installing programs to ensure nothing gets installed that we didn’t ask for.
While the risks are still there, many can get by and don’t get infected, and they just run an average antivirus program. But for those who aren’t quite computer literate and download attachments left and right, who open emails without checking who the sender is, and who search on Google for free (insert paid software here) and then download whatever they find, they need something stiffer, something more restrictive. For instance, some antivirus programs will notify you if something suspicious is downloaded, and rather than even let you have a look at it when you get it completely downloaded, it’s deleted immediately. You’re blocked from visiting malicious websites automatically, and emails are scanned upon download.
For those clients who always seem to get infected a few times a month, I’d recommend going with the strongest antivirus program you can convince them to get. In the long run, it will save them money, and they’ll appreciate that when they don’t have to keep coming to you to get rid of the latest infection, yet again.
For many older operating systems, being able to handle a modern powerful antivirus solution is out of the question when it takes up so much of the available resources to run that it’s not really worth trying to use the computer for anything serious. In those cases, you could use a combination of anti-malware programs, one as a passive protection and one as a scanner that is scheduled to run often, perhaps using Malwarebytes’ antivirus solution. Don’t just install the least effective but most lightweight program just because that’s all the computer can handle. As long as you don’t have two real time scanning programs running next to each other you should be fine, but if you’re not sure, do a little digging and see if there are any conflicts reported.
I know when the source code for one popular antivirus solution hit the internet a while back, I immediately advised any clients and friends using that software to get rid of it and get something else, including any other products distributed by the same corporation that had a security risk. While the company later stated the leak had no impact on current products, having your source code leaked on the internet is a blow that will take time to build credibility back from.
Meanwhile, people are studying the source code and figuring out what kind of protocols were enacted to secure the breach. Any sort of progress in that direction is progress I don’t want my clients to have to face with their antivirus solution, which is why I still can’t recommend programs that have been compromised in such a way. If you keep up with the Tech news, you’ll hear about news items that correspond to programs your clients use, and being on top with that and notifying them of any issues with the programs you manage for them is a good way to show some personal interest in your clients.
Keep up with the latest lab tests and fields tests and their results, too. I can’t recommend one over the other here, because we all have our favorite antivirus solutions, either because they are lightweight and we have had good experience with it, or because it’s more effective than anything we’ve ever come across. Just make sure it uses modern detection methods, receives constant updates, and can protect against current threats.
What are your favorite antivirus solutions?
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I have used Avira successfully for a while, but Avast! is better!
I used Avira for many years but have switched to Avast! as well.
I usually set my customers up with Avira, sometimes Avast. I had started to shy away from Avast because it will start nagging for registration. Which I guess is better than Avira bugging for money during updates.
I did not like the avast! registration either, but it is not too bad.
Just do it for them, it takes about 2 minutes. Like Patrick said, it’s a lot better than getting that giant popup every time the AV updates. I also turn off that dumb voice that tells you it’s been updated.
I make a point of never stating a preference on AV. In my experience, any AV program can be sitting happily there, and I turn up with Malwarebytes, and find 20 infections. So they’re all about as bad as each other. And it makes me look good. :-)
Maybe actual viruses are very rare, and Malware is the big problem nowadays?
I agree. I dont think any of the free av’s do much good. I am going to try the free version of bit defender for folks that need it. I thought microsoft has said that security essentials is still going to be good through the end of the year? I know about the warning and all that.
I use free Bitdefender on my machines. It very seldom quarantines false positives. One recently was Unlocker which I needed to reinstall a couple of times. It will warn me if it finds a site dangerous to proceed with. And I believe them. I don’t. Look for another route to get there.
Malwarebytes is not an antivirus; it’s an antimalware. Apples, oranges.
Toolbars and related junk that it finds should not be expected to be found by an antivirus.
Not quite Apples and Oranges. Toolbars are not Malware!
Malware programs detect Trojans and rootkits, which AV also *should* too, but clearly fail to.
You’re in a bad mood tonight Xander! Did you wake up on the wrong side of the tech bench? :-)
Toolbars are malware in general. Perhaps you’d want one toolbar for an application you dearly love. Office toolbar for instance. But it can be annoying and it uses system resources. Most toolbars are available when you open the appropriate program. And some toolbars are actually malicious. Just say no.
Malwarebytes is an offline tool that can be run from safe mode or from WinPE boot disk. Malwarebytes is not an “always on” scanner so it is not constantly monitoring your system in case you accidentally open a bad file like most antivirus software. (On the other hand it doesn’t suck up system resources.) Same with Clamwin, although they now have a marginally effective scanner. Malwarebytes it designed to remove damaged files after the damage has already been done, something that puts your data at risk.
I agree with you Chris,”They are as bad as each other”. I have being using Norton which I don’t recommend. Avira, Avast ,Microsoft Security Essentials are kind of satisfying.Great satisfaction with Advanced system care Ultimate7.
With over 300 antivirus programs I figure anyone in the top ten is good enough.
What I install depends on the client. I have some perfectly happy with MSE and seldom get in trouble. Others I use AVG free set to update and run every 12 hrs with Malwarebytes as a weekly manually run option to clean up anything AVG might miss.
Superantimalware has a neat detox or clean the browser function some of my clients are better off to have although I prefer Malwarebytes for actual malware detections and removals.
Most of my clients are happy with free solutions and so am I. I tell all my clients to absolutely avoid Norton and McAfee as they are the targets all AV coders seem to want to take down.
I agree that Norton and McAfee are AV programs to avoid. I like MSE for a free AV.
ESET and Malwarebytes is my preferred combination for a paid solution. For Free, AVAST and Spybot and try to disable as many of the nags as possible for them. I have also been using (Unchecky) to help with disabling some of the extra adware/addons attached to programs they will blindly download. Thanks for the info on Avira as I may try that also.
“perhaps using Malwarebytes’ antivirus solution.”
There is no such thing and the author has lost a lot of credibility by not knowing this. MBAM has specifically said that their product is NOT an antivirus nor should it be used as one.
I use Emsisoft here, with great results!
Well you can use anyone of the 300 antivirus but the factor that counts is the client or user. I have used many and find they still get by the antivirus no matter what. Most times you need to use another piece of software to remove virus or manually removal or re-install. So there is no real solution and never actually will be. I will agree never use Norton or McAfee just plain make systems run slower and let far to many viruses through.
” 3. It Doesn’t Have To Be ‘Light vs. Effective’ ”
Man the Malwarebytes is using up to 100MB of the RAM size, I can not even think that could be a light-weight on old computers!!
Actually, Microsoft Security Essential will continue getting updates until July 14th, 2015. However, without updates, that’s hardly secure.
Also, people here may like to know that according to Dennis Technology Tests, MSE is missing 39% of malware. Kaspersky Internet Security 2014 was ranked as the best and it costs $80, is good on three computers, and lasts for 1 year. The best free anti-virus is currently Avast. Below is a comparison chart and ranks of overall accuracy for detecting real problems and false positives.
99% – Kaspersky Internet Security
98% – ESET Smart Security 7
97% – Norton Internet Security
92% – Avast Free Anti-Virus 8
87% – BitDefender Internet Security
86% – AVG Anti-Virus Free 2014
80% – Trend Micro Titanium Security
66% – Microsoft Security Essentials
65% – McAfee Internet Security
Allen, depends who charts you follow. I trust AV-Comparatives “real world” tests over anyone elses. BitDefender beats Avast for the past “quite a few years in a row” with them, and their free AV is substantially lighter also. Nags…but just a tiny bit. And second place to Kaspersky.
http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php
Panda Cloud Free is also very good (also beats Avast), and light. And no nags.
I like the AV comparatives. But if you have seen the results for MSE, its not encouraging at all.
“Limited” and somewhat incorrect list. Antivirus testing provides disparate results depending on the prejudices of the testers. Seriously missed the original question since most free A-V are only licensed for non-commercial (i.e. home&student) use not for business customers. That include Microsoft Security Essentials which is only licensed to businesses up to ten computers.
That said I’ll note that Adaware (free) also includes anti-virus specifically GFI Vipre which is fairly decent with no GFI free version. One of the best (free) I’ve tested is Checkpoint’s Zone Alarm Antivirus + Firewall (better than Windows Firewall). Also missed F-Prot and several others.
Personal experience I prefer Eset NOD in part because it can be centrally managed from a “Server”,and because it works. Norton/Symantec has been good.
marwarebytes coupled with Microsoft Security Essentials. I use this on my personal computers and i recommend it to all my clients!
Curious why Comodo never turns up? Have been using the free version for awhile & had no issues. The auto sandbox widget is nice too.
Microsoft extends XP updates for UK government and Dutch Governments.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/10741243/Government-pays-Microsoft-5.5m-to-extend-Windows-XP-support.html
http://www.zdnet.com/dutch-government-pays-millions-to-extend-microsoft-xp-support-7000028116/
The best antivirus I recommend to my clients is a Linux Operating System. My experience with all Microsoft Windows (from XP to 7) is that Windows attacks itself.
Great risk if you don’t have a third-party “security” solution, and the system is already connected to the internet.
And then, installing the “security” solution drags your system… like a parade of turtles, and consuming system resources like popcorn (you just finish them during the trailers).
I have to agree with Jaime. For a typical computer user with no specific requirement for absurd windows only applications, I recomend Linux. I boot a thumb drive for them and let them see how easy it is to use. Printer detection and such are simple and work with minimal fuss. Problem then becomes I don’t have much reason to go back, so revenue streams do suffer a bit.
I see a lot of discussion here but so far no one has mentioned Vipre from ThreatTrack Security. It has a small footprint, is very reasonably priced, and very effective. It also has the option of paying one time for lifetime updates. I recommend it to all my customers and so far, every likes it.
I have used Avira, Avast, Bitdefender and Panda security all with great success. I like Bitdefender and use it on my own computers at home. I would still recommend Avast to most people.
Most of my customers tend to call me after getting infected and have become “pop-up averse” so for them I usually recommend Bitdefender, when possible, or Microsoft Security Essentials because they are effective without constantly popping dialogues up on the screen.
Basically:
Bitdefender Corporate for Buisnesses (SME’s)
Kaspersky For home users its not that bloody expensive….
For the cheapskate:
Bitdefender Free.
For repeat offenders:
Kaspersky Internet Security (excludes buisness)
A prebuilt host file from a trusted host file source
adblockplus.
And making sure the system is up to date for both O/S and Software.
I don’t get you guys, why would anyone install free antivirus in a client/ customer’s PC? They’re just going to come back to you and expect support sooner or later… for free. If you up sell paid security software, you inform them that whatever company it is will support it, and you do not, at least not for free, just like any other reseller. Even more importantly, its a wasted revenue opportunity. Make a small profit on every sale, unless they bring their own software. If they refuse to purchase security software from you, or have their own, I’ll politely make a recommendation that they do some research on one of the many free versions out there, and install it, but I won’t. And, even though we tell our customers we’re always willing to help/answer a few quick questions, we’ll include right on the invoice that the “client declined to purchase recommended security software”, right above the waiver stating the there is no warranty or free support for software what-so-ever.