Asus RMA debacle

pceinc

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My company has been reselling Asus products and providing end-user customer support for Asus laptops more than 10 years. We have resold many laptops and completed many RMA processes when required. Most of the RMA processes have been smooth with no issues. However, our most recent RMA for a customer's Taichi Notebook which started back in January has been the most unsatisfactory customer service experience I have witnessed in my 20 years in business.

We arranged an RMA for our customer's Asus Taichi Notebook which developed display issues. The RMA was issued on January 26, 2015. The notebook was shipped to the Asus repair facility via UPS 2nd day. Our records indicate it was received on January 28th, 2015. We waited one week before checking the status of the RMA. There was no information on the status when we checked the RMA website so we called into customer service to check the status. We were told the repair had not been started and to expect an email within 24 hours. We waited 48 hours and no email was received. We called in again. The representative informed us they could see no email had been sent and they would escalate the RMA for further investigation. We did not hear anything for several more days so we called in again. This time we were put on hold while the representative investigated the matter. When they came back to the line they informed us they were waiting on a response from an email that was sent with information regarding the repair. However, we never received this email containing an invoice. The call was forwarded to a supervisor who in time, told us the email was never sent. This supervisor informed us the unit was out of warranty but the repairs were going to be done under warranty due to the lack of communication and delay. This information was provided to my technician as well as the owner of the laptop during the call. There was no misunderstanding of what the customer service rep was stating and it was questioned multiple times. We were told to expect the repair to be completed in 5-7 days. We waited a week before checking the status of the RMA. Upon calling in we were told Asus was waiting for a response from an email that was sent. We informed the representative of the previous call and information provided to us. He confirmed this and made a call to the repair center to confirm. When he came back to the line, he informed us the supervisor from the repair center would be calling us within 24 hours. We never received this call. However, we did receive an email from the customer care team stating they informed the repair facility to contact us in regards to the invoice and that the keyboard and LCD needed to be replaced. We never received any further contact from Asus and had to call back again to check the status. When we finally got through to a representative, we were told the invoice had never been sent because the LCD is not in stock. After relaying this information to the customer, we decided to contact Asus again and request to have the notebook returned to us unrepaired. We were told this would take 5-7 days to be completed. I received a follow up email stating the laptop was being shipped back March 6th with a tracking number. I tracked the package as it traveled across the USA from CA to MD. I expected it to be returned using the same shipping since they state they return them using the same method and level of which it was received. I guess I expected too much.

Fedex Home tried to deliver the laptop Friday evening around 6:45 after our office was closed. They tried again on Saturday while we are closed. Monday expected it Monday but at 740 am a deliver exception was made due to a security issue. WTF? Tuesday comes around, no laptop. Tuesday afternoon I check the tracking and it states it was delivered and signed for. The only problem is, it was not received at our office. We received Fedex ground Tuesday but not Fedex home. I have a small office with one front door. No chance it was set aside and i reviewed our camera footage from the entire day. No Fedex home deliver was made, no truck in the parking lot. So, I've contacted Fedex and asked where the package is. The only thing they can do is put a trace on it which involves talking to the driver, whom I bet is a contractor, and wait for a response.

So I call the customer and all he does is laugh. He's an employee of one of our longest business clients. He uses the laptop for work but brought it to us personally to to have diagnosed. He did not purchase it from us. He is not expecting us to be liable and is not holding us responsible. He's taking it very well considering but holy crap, can you believe this? I don't think I could make this stuff up.

So, what if Fedex lost it or the driver dropped it off at the wrong address or kept it for himself. It's our word against his. I have video footage though which helps if push comes to shove. My thought is we can't file a lost package claim because we're not the shipper. Asus would have to do that and I hope to hell they had insurance on the package. I bet not.

I'm going to start drinking now.
 
Fedex can be full of surprises sometimes. Often with no reason at all. Had a call at a grocery store to replace the printer that is in a coupon kiosk. Customer scans their loyalty card and the machines spits out the customized coupons. Their shipments are always next day by 10:30am. This time it took Fedex 4 days to deliver the printer. Each delivery exception was that the business was closed or unavailable. This is a grocery store that is open 7 days a week, 7am to 9pm.
 
I'll keep it to the details:

Client bought a new Asus laptop from me. (Windows 8 pro license, predowngraded to W7Pro)

1 week later hard drive dies. I file the RMA and send it off.
2 weeks later laptop arrives back after having HDD replaced. - Windows 8 Pro is installed.
I call the repair center to ask what had happened as this laptop was predowngraded to W7Pro by Asus, they say it wasn't and they can only install W8Pro.

I call my supplier to see what their suggestion is - They gave me a number for Asus to try get to the bottom of it.
Asus claimed that my supplier (major distributor [no names due to outside TEO]) must have downgraded it at their warehouse! This was not the case, so they gave me a phone number for someone in MS that deals with OEM licensing. I call them and they say it isn't their problem, and Asus should give me install media and a key to do the downgrade.
Called Asus back with this and they said that MS had to give me install media and a key.

In the end I had a conference call between Microsoft, Asus and myself with MS and Asus arguing about the whole thing. It was interesting until I stopped them and said that I would install W7Pro, using a license from anywhere I could find regardless of the legitimacy, and do it myself. I also said that I would never sell another Asus laptop again due to this mess.
 
We've always had the best of luck with ASUS when repairing. Most of the time they just return a brand new unit to us with the data transferred within a week (FedEx actually being the slowest part). We actually only sell ASUS hardware for most of our services for this reason. So sorry to hear about this.
 
I call them and they say it isn't their problem, and Asus should give me install media and a key to do the downgrade.
Called Asus back with this and they said that MS had to give me install media and a key.

In the end I had a conference call between Microsoft, Asus and myself with MS and Asus arguing about the whole thing. It was interesting until I stopped them and said that I would install W7Pro, using a license from anywhere I could find regardless of the legitimacy, and do it myself. I also said that I would never sell another Asus laptop again due to this mess.
I went through pretty much the same exact thing with HP and Microsoft, each one claiming it was the other's problem in regards to windows licensing. Pretty much ended with the same result too. Nobody in the world properly understands Windows licensing it seems, especially those involved in licensing Windows.
 
I have used ASUS since the year we opened in 1995, but for 2014 and 2015 the warranty situation with laptops has been horrible. UPS essentially accused ASUS of purposefully cracking the screens of laptops that came in for almost any issue. Then UPS denied the shipping claim based on the evidence that there were too many to be a coincidence. Have stayed away from them since then.
 
We briefly sold Asus laptops but quickly dropped them due to their RMA policy. We do use Asus desktop motherboards and rarely have issues. The few times we've had an Asus motherboard failure we've either returned them through distribution or replaced it at our cost because it's not worth the RMA hassle, shipping, waiting, getting a refurb product back, etc. One factor upon which we choose manufacturers is how easy they are to deal with. We don't have time to fight battles with vendors.
 
I stopped them and said that I would install W7Pro, using a license from anywhere I could find regardless of the legitimacy, and do it myself.
FYI, per Microsoft Downgrade rules that method is 100% legal. You may downgrade using any media and any product key to get the system to load. Your license allows for a downgrade. Microsoft doesn't care how you do it so long as you use legitimate (real not warez) media.
 
I went through pretty much the same exact thing with HP and Microsoft, each one claiming it was the other's problem in regards to windows licensing. Pretty much ended with the same result too. Nobody in the world properly understands Windows licensing it seems, especially those involved in licensing Windows.
I hate to say this but ASUS didn't do anything wrong. It is up to the end user to downgrade, not ASUS. The OEM is allowed to perform the task for you but isn't required to do so. And they are not allowed to send you downgrade media. You have a license for Windows 8 not 7. You are not entitled to media for that only 8. You are only allowed to downgrade to allow for compatibility with your existing Windows 7 licenses. So you are supposed to already have media you can use.
 
I had a bad experience with the RMA of an ASUS motherboard years ago and never bought another product from them.

1. Had a motherboard that the network adapter died and got an RMA.
2. I shipped the motherboard to them and waited about a week for them to verify the complaint after receiving it.
3. They indicated they are "repairing" the motherboard instead of replacing it (component level repair).
4. I get the motherboard back and although the network adapter light now lights, the actual board will NOT complete the POST (Power-On-Self-Test)
5. I call them up and ultimately start a 2RMA, which is their way of marking it is not fixed.
6. This time it takes about two (2) weeks to check it in and verify the complaint, but they do not let me know any details.
7. Then I get an email that there is a problem with the RMA, but it gave no details.
8. I call them up and the tech tells me me the motherboard is bad because of "Damaged Traces," which is not covered by warranty.

I did NOT damage the traces (emphasis added).

9. I remain calm but ****** off they are blaming me, so I ask them to send me a picture.
10. I get an email from them indicating they are sending me a picture of my board to show me the "Damaged Traces"
11. I file a complaint with the Better Business Bullies indicating the picture they sent is of a GREEN motherboard... Mine was ORANGE
12. They take about two (2) weeks to acknowledge this and decide they need to replace the board, BUT they no longer make my motherboard, so I will have to choose a comparable replacement (fine).
13. Ultimately, I had to call them only to be told they are sending an email with my "CHOICES"
14. Fast forward another week and a couple calls, I get the email. It has one (1) choice. Why bother asking then? o_O
15. Regardless, the "choice" was both comparable and reasonable, so I accepted.
16. One more week to ship... one more week of tracking... Got it!

17. Board worked great! Then had to call them for the back panel piece and the front header piece...
18. Got these about a week later completing the build.


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Fast forward one (1) year... The replacement motherboard dies, and I am told it had only a 90 day warranty as it is a refurb, so I got through to them that the Original Warranty would still apply, and they were agreeable.
19... In toatal, this took two (2) weeks.

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Fast forward another 9 months... The replacement of the replacement starts working only intermittently and has bulging capacitors... I ran Sysprep and bought a new Motherboard, CPU, and Memory. I didn't bother Asus...

I do NOT want any more of their products nor to deal with their RMA procedures. This was back in probably 2011, and they are on my boycott list along with Kingston who got on it in 2006 by not paying a $35 mail-in-rebate. Ironically, I now work for State Government and back in 2010 placed an order for something like $180,000 in desktop memory... but not from Kingston. Their rep actually asked me why since they beat Crucial/Corsair and it was basically the same product. I explained it was all over a personal vendetta of $35.

Any vendor/manufacturing company reading this should learn real quick not to mess with ANY computer repair shops, technicians, network administrators, etc... We ARE the geeks that decide what we buy/sell and/or the decision maker for large purchases of our respective firms and business partners.
 
FYI, per Microsoft Downgrade rules that method is 100% legal. You may downgrade using any media and any product key to get the system to load. Your license allows for a downgrade. Microsoft doesn't care how you do it so long as you use legitimate (real not warez) media.

Of course, we all know that now. But as Microsoft didn't know, and neither did ASUS I did the best I could without knowing.
 
This covers most of the issues of downgrades.

https://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/downgrade_rights.aspx

However:
If the software was previously activated, it cannot be activated online. In this case, the appropriate local Activation Support phone number will be displayed. Call the number and explain the circumstances. When it is determined that the end user has an eligible Windows license, the customer service representative will provide a single-use activation code to activate the software. Please note that Microsoft does not provide a full product key in this scenario.
I've had the above work ONCE. Most of the idiots in those India activation centers are too poorly trained to understand Downgrade rights. The best thing to do if you actually get a human is LIE and say that the software is not installed on any other computer and don't mention anything about downgrading. You just reinstalled windows and activation didn't work, you don't know why. They will give you an activation code. But unless the key has been used multiple times it should activate over the internet. Indeed, most keys on the side of OEM machines are never used and you can often activate without any issue.

The other option if you don't have OEM SLP media is to use the SLP activation tool that @pcpete created here. https://www.technibble.com/forums/threads/automate-slp-activaiton.67396/#post-525982 That will bypass activation with a legitimate SLP key and certificate effectively performing the same function as a real OEM disk would do.
 
I have a client with a ROG G750JZ laptop that had the GPU fan go bad and ASUS wanted $900 to replace it. Took awhile, but I found the part in the UK for about $40.
 
Asus support has been dropping ever since they started putting out crap products which is to be expected because that must have increased their work volume x10 fold. The company just plain sucks now. I see some people raving about their routers but often the more advance features of the nice asus routers don't actually work until long after they are shipped and even then usually don't work that great.
 
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