MP3 Player with disk problems

Mick

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Curious problem with an MP3 player. My customer reported difficulties transferring music from his Windows 7 PC to this player, so I took a look. What this guy is doing is transferring his old CD collection to his mp3 player. He takes a CD, rips it to his PC hard disk using CDex software, checks the rip went OK (basically, tries to play one or two of the files in Media Player), then copies and pastes them into the Music folder on his mp3 player. So far, so normal, and he tells me this has worked fine in the past - indeed, he has a ton of stuff already on the player, transferred by this means. However, things have started to go wrong...now, when he tries this (and I have replicated this on my own test machine), Windows explorer performs the copy/paste without any reported error, and the pasted folder shows up fine when the mp3 player's disk is browsed. It's the right size, contains the right files and generally looks good to go. But the player won't play any of these files, indeed, won't even display them - again, no error message, just click, click....click...nothing.

I've noticed that if I close Windows explorer, then re-open it, the pasted folder is still shown as existing, but is now empty and reporting 0 bytes as its size. Further, if I then delete this 'empty' folder, it does disappear, but Windows does not reclaim the disk space the folder originally occupied - you can get this back, but only by running 'chkdsk' on the drive. I've had drives and devices fail before now - haven't we all - but it's usually pretty easy/straightforward to diagnose. I haven't run into a situation where everything is behaving on the face of it exactly as it should, except that Windows just isn't doing what it says it's doing. I've checked the drive isn't read-only (it isn't) and has plenty of free space.

I would normally advise the customer that the thing is not worth wasting a lot of time and money on. However, he's spent quite a lot on the player, and also a lot of time moving his precious collection... and besides, I'm puzzled. What would make a drive behave like this? If anyone's come up against this or something similar and has any useful feedback, I'd appreciate it.
 
Most MP3 players use flash memory. Some HDD's. Just like RAM or any hard drive they can malfunction. Sometimes a format can bring them back.

I pretty much save songs like your client. Copy/paste into folders I create through Windows. I also save my favorite songs to optical media and HDD's/SDD's.

Backup, backup and backup again.
 
Thanks. I'm aware they can malfunction, but I would - in that case - expect to be getting error messages of some sort or another; this is one of the things that's puzzling me. Incidentally - this one is HDD. It's a 160GB, about half full, so I can see why the guy doesn't want to have to start from scratch again.
 
Basic tests, yes. Seagate sees it as OK, MS Disk Management says it's 'healthy'...SMART is OK...bit out of ideas.
 
I have a Zen vision player and it is very fussy
I have 3 laptops and it only works with one of them adding drag and drop music
 
Thanks. I've now tried this on three different machines, with the same result. The client uses a Widows box, so I didn't see any point in trying it on Linux etc. But at least that's pointing me in the direction of the device, not a Windows problem.
 
Update: Since I looked at this gadget, the owner has been on to the manufacturers and, even though it's out of warranty, they've asked him to send it in to them so they can take a look at it and repair/replace as necessary. That's not bad for a company I hadn't even heard of until a couple of days ago! Thinking about this (and having tried MHDD as suggested above - thanks) I'm wondering now if maybe the embedded software might have something to do with it...guess I'll never know...
 
Just to confirm, all the stuff on the drive is already backed up? There is a very good chance that it will come back without the files on it. I certainly recommend getting a full clone of the drive before you ship it out if that will be an issue.
 
Yup - all backed up - but thanks for the heads up. I've told the guy he'll probably need to start over but, as he says, that's better than not being able to start at all!
 
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