[REQUEST] Strange monitor issue

Kirby

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I think this might be some strange power issue, but I'm not sure. I've never run into anything like it before.

I was installing 2 computers for a customer. Both of their old monitors used VGA cables, the new computers have only DVI and HDMI. One of their monitors would take a DVI cable, so I had to come up with 2 cables and a monitor, which wasn't that tough. The first computer install went fine. That's the one I swapped out the entire monitor for. The second one, though, had no video. The computer did the POST beep, it had hard drive access, it shut down in a minute or two when I pushed the power button. And that is where our story begins.

The monitor which was there had no video in the office. A different DVI cable did not rectify the situation. The monitor which works on the other computer had no video in the office. The monitor which was there had no video in 2 different outlets. I brought it back to the shop. No video with that monitor, but it did have video on a monitor on my bench so I took that monitor on site and no video in that office.

So, the computer is working fine, but in that office I tried 3 different monitors, none of them had video. The original monitor also didn't have video plugged into an additional 2 different outlets on-site, nor did it have video at my office. The second monitor had video on the other computer I installed, no video on this computer, video again on the first computer. The third monitor had video with that computer in my shop, but no video in that office.

I did not think at the time to try the other two monitors on different outlets. It really didn't occur to me until now that I may be looking at multiple problems, one monitor with bad DVI and two monitors which don't get DVI signals in that office.

Now for the wiring. There is a GFCI switch in that room (not the one it's plugged into). The Test button works, so I assume the wiring is probably good. BUT, the computer equipment is plugged into an old power strip which is plugged into a short extension cable (a good orange one) which is plugged into a really old APC battery backup. One of the old white "bricks".

So my question is: What the hell? This must be a power issue? The second monitor I tried is the one the computer was connected to while I installed Windows, updates and a ton of software. The third monitor I tried worked just 20 minutes before in my shop. The first monitor never worked on the DVI input, but worked flawlessly connected to the old computer via VGA for years. In every case the first instance of it not working was in that office, though I'm kicking myself for not testing other monitors outside of that office now. It's a 20 minute drive and I've made 3 trips today alone.

I'm hoping a stray voltage isn't frying the DVI in the monitors. If it is, it didn't get the second monitor I tried, and I tried it multiple times, because it's still hooked to and working on the first computer I installed.

For now I'm going to pick up a $3 power tester from the hardware store and try again tomorrow. My next step is maybe to eliminate the ancient battery backup. I'm guessing it's 10 or 12 years old at least, and I'm usually pretty accurate when I guess at the age of equipment. I suppose some type of poorly formed/uneven waveform could cause weird issues. Maybe an over/under voltage might cause freakiness with one computer but not another and burn out a DVI port in a monitor over a period of time, even though it was connected with VGA. But then, technically problems with burned CDs may be caused by colliding black holes causing ripples in space which minutely change the distances between the bits on the disk. Yeah, theoretically you can't say it's absolutely impossible, but that doesn't make it sound less stupid.
 
You're probably way ahead of me here, but my first thought is, do the monitors that aren't working require the input be manually switched to DVI?

If that's not it, I suppose it could have to do with a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil. :)
 
I tried that. Many times per monitor, actually. It's one of those things where I kept trying the same things over and over and expecting different results. You make a good case for bringing back DDT, though.
 
First thing is remove the power strip from the UPS. The UPS manufacturers all recommend not mixing power strips, surge protectors and other UPS's together. APC does allow mixing their brands of surge protectors with UPS's but there is no valid reason to do that.

They also frown upon using extension cords between the UPS and wall receptacle but that is because people are idiots and will use under size extension cords. They also recommend not using extension cords between the UPS output and the device because of the potential voltage drop.
 
Reads like the Abbott & Costello skit about Who's on First. I need diagrams, a truth table, or more brain cells to deal with that problem description. Sorry to not be able to help.
Fair enough. Essentially the monitor which was in the office there worked on VGA for years but wouldn't work on DVI with the new computer in the installation site, on another plug in the same office or on the power the other computer was working on. Two other monitors which work in other locations also didn't work in the installation site. One of them I tried in my office and it worked with that computer there, but didn't work in the office on the power that computer will use. I did not test a second monitor in any other location but my office, suggesting it's a power issue with the ancient battery backup there, which I will be testing this morning.
 
I finally resolved this by adding a video card. Something about this computer just did not like the onboard DVI on-site. It was fine in my office. I checked their original monitor in my office and it worked fine. Whatever the issue was, the onboard video just did nothing on-site.

That being said, I think it might actually be a Windows 10 thing. I installed a couple of computers last week which used both the onboard DVI and HDMI. The DVI worked fine, but the HDMI ended up being the main monitor and a black screen. I had to disconnect the HDMI, get into the monitor settings to make sure it was on the right screen (the one that worked), then reconnect the HDMI. It came up blank if connected at first, but if connected after boot it detected and worked fine after that.

I've noticed Windows 10 has lots of little quirks like this, more and more with each update. For a couple of months now every new computer I build takes about 5 minutes to come out of hibernate, so I shut it off.
 
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