The 50GB Privacy Bomb...The nightmare continues...

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In yesterdays episode of Security Now!, Steve Gibson discusses the findings of Kevin Beaumont, a well respected security researcher, who has managed to get Microsoft's "Recall" working on non NPU hardware.

Steve Gibson also discusses the real reason behind Microsoft's push for Recall to be installed on every computer.

Security Now! Episode 977 (discussion starts at 1:00:00)

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Lol Kevin's take is dead on.

I also agree with the niche use case that would like that functionality.

I'm a little weirded out by Steve's concern that a backup utility backing up the entire system and therefore get this history too.

Local processing confirmation is nice.

The ability to access another user profile requires local admin rights. Which for home users, is a huge problem but should be expected behavior.
 
In yesterdays episode of Security Now!, Steve Gibson discusses the findings of Kevin Beaumont, a well respected security researcher, who has managed to get Microsoft's "Recall" working on non NPU hardware.

Steve Gibson also discusses the real reason behind Microsoft's push for Recall to be installed on every computer.

Security Now! Episode 977 (discussion starts at 1:00:00)

Shownotes unavailable at this time unfortunately.
I watched that the other day was interesting and Steve is great in my opinion.
 
I don't trust anything Steve Gibson says. Steve Gibson is the charlatan who continues to sell Spinrite, claiming that software can "fix" a failing hard drive.
So..Do you have any expertise in this field to back up that statement or is it just blowing wind out of your a**e?

I don't own spinrite (and never will) but because he sells it doesn't make his standing in the security community any less than what it is, nor does it make his opinions any less truthful.
He would have forgotten more about "computer security" than many "experts" would know.



I watched that the other day was interesting and Steve is great in my opinion.
Did you watch this one? Only came out yesterday.
 
@GTP When someone lies and sells snake oil, it's natural not to trust them. Yeah maybe they're just scamming people with one thing but why would you trust someone who claims his software can do something that's impossible? The only thing worse I've seen is that iOS app that claimed to be able to charge your phone via solar. News flash: You can't add a solar panel to a phone using software, and you can't "fix" a hardware issue with a hard drive using software either.
 
Steve Gibson is the charlatan who continues to sell Spinrite, claiming that software can "fix" a failing hard drive.

You avoided my question, so I'll ask again...

"So..Do you have any expertise in this field to back up that statement or is it just blowing wind out of your a**e?"
 
I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but it appears Gibson is just reporting what someone else said. Do you not trust Kevin Beaumont?
I have no trust issues with either of these guys.
Kevin Beaumont is a highly respected security researcher and Steve Gibson is probably one of the most trusted security experts out there.
Ugh. I was burned out on Leo a long time ago
Yeah I'd rather he wasn't the compare but it is what it is. I enjoy Gibson's expertise and focus on that.
 
So..Do you have any expertise in this field to back up that statement or is it just blowing wind out of your a**e?

I don't own spinrite (and never will) but because he sells it doesn't make his standing in the security community any less than what it is, nor does it make his opinions any less truthful.
He would have forgotten more about "computer security" than many "experts" would know.




Did you watch this one? Only came out yesterday.
Must have been a different one, was similar though they ramble on a lot until they get to the actual premise of the video.
 
Must have been a different one, was similar though they ramble on a lot until they get to the actual premise of the video.
Yep which is why I stopped listening to them ages ago. They are masters of time waste and algorithm manipulation.

Which... incidentally, is proof of the snake oil being sold. This entire video is a 2 hour stupidity session about an article that can be read in 3 min.

This is the actual article worth consuming: https://doublepulsar.com/recall-ste...r-own-windows-pc-is-now-possible-da3e12e9465e

Gibson's content... as usual is utterly crap.

Seriously, the original link is little more than a really long TikTok reaction video. The Youtube link therefore constitutes theft of content, it's an ethics violation, and fundamentally invalidates Gibson's security credentials as a result.
 
Like Gibson mentioned in the podcast, I'd like to be objective about this and look at it from both sides. The downsides and risks are rather obvious. But what are the upsides?

I don't know. Sometimes new things come along and everyone says there's no need for NewThing. All the experts and flunkees say that NewThing will never succeed. But 10 years later NewThing is embedded in our life and we can't do without it and it's a huge commercial success.

So today NewThing is Recall. I can't imagine how this would be useful to me. The "mind" of my personal computer is already cluttered with files that are partially organized, lots of open tabs and bookmarks along with minimized browser windows that I plan to come back to latter to watch or read. Occasionally I'll close them all and let those thoughts go - it's a relief, like clearing out a clutter filled room, it's energizing.

Since I experience that clutter / clearing cycle sometimes I think why would I want Recall as a way keep that permanent cloud of stuff preserved all the time. I don't see the benefit. I open to being wrong, that there is some other usefulness to this. But for now, no.
 
@timeshifter There is an exfiltration risk, but I'm not convinced that doesn't already exist. If you can grab these SQL Lite databases, you can also grab the credential managers from all major web browsers and do something similar.

Malware running as the user on their endpoint has already created the risk. This is why authentication has to be physical token based, and can never be software driven. TPM is one such token, that at least limits credential use to trusted endpoints... but again if the endpoint is the laptop / desktop, malware on that device can get into your online services. BUT that malware has to stay persistent on the endpoint you control, and evade anti-malware over time to stay useful.

As for the value of these features, how many times have you been researching something and closed a window by accident or intent you realize you needed an hour later but can't remember the name of the thing you were looking to search it up again? Recall can just take you to that time, and there the window is... right where you left it.

I don't know about you, but that can really save my bacon in my professional space. But at the same time, I don't want this feature on my personal rig AT ALL.

Copilot itself is already a tremendously effective personal assistant, and I see Recall as a means to objectively improve it in specifically this way, which it's already really good at. The fusion of functionality can make my endpoint a digital version of the best secretary ever, remembering things for me.

Which is a little creepy... because that's my wife's job too. This whole thing is crazy, wonderful, and terrifying.
 
to be objective about this and look at it from both sides.
Gibson conceded that "it may be useful to a corporate environment" and also to himself, and maybe it would. But, the security implications (atm) outweigh any potential benefits.
But then, when have corporations ever been concerned about security?


Since I experience that clutter / clearing cycle sometimes I think why would I want Recall as a way keep that permanent cloud of stuff preserved all the time.
I agree.
I gather so much "stuff" that sometimes I wonder why. Will I ever use this "stuff" again? Maybe, maybe not. So far the multi terabytes of "stuff" that I have amassed and stored sits idle and untouched. It's all backed up to the cloud as well, so I'm paying a yearly fee to store data I'll probably never access again.

Not withstanding the security implications, having Recall would be a novelty for a short time.

"Sometimes it's best not to find out what you don't want to know!" Coach (from Left 4 Dead 2.)
 
You will be able to simply turn recall off.
Anyone worried about a "Privacy Bomb" - there is no privacy. Among the social networks, data collectors, and the government overlords - everything we do is tracked, monitored and stored in real time.

The only privacy you have is what you make for yourself and having systems that you explicitly configure to be private. Get Linux of many flavors, set up a small server. Don't share your secrets on Facebook. There's your privacy.
 
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Among the social networks, data collectors, and the government overlords - everything we do is tracked, monitored and stored in real time.

That's the long and short of it. All we can do is to make this slightly, very slightly, more difficult.

Privacy as most people think of it has been a complete illusion for many years now. By the early 2000s privacy as it had been known for recorded history was already gone.
 

Even if you can turn it off, it's still a potential threat. It's existence is kinda like Big Brother.

Hackers could use it's uniquely sensitive information to blackmail and harass people based on so many things. Yes, a bit far fetched, but I'm sure there was a time during DOS and early Windows that we figured Viruses would stay on floppy disks like good little troublemakers. How did that work?
 
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Even if you can turn it off, it's still a potential threat. It's existence is kinda like Big Brother.

Hackers could use it's uniquely sensitive information to blackmail and harass people based on so many things. Yes, a bit far fetched, but I'm sure there was a time during DOS and early Windows that we figured Viruses would stay on floppy disks like good little troublemakers. How did that work?
Steve Gibson discussed how Home users wouldn't know - or even care - that it was enabled by default because they really wouldn't understand what it is or what it's purpose is.

Similarly small business would just "go with the flow" if it was enabled by default not realising the potential risks it presents.

Having the ability to turn it off is certainly a good thing, but how many would do that?
Most Windows users are too scared to open the C: drive for fear of deleting something so switching off a Windows component would be daunting.

IMHO, if it comes to Windows in an enabled state probably 70%+ would would keep it enabled.
 
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