Dr. Who ratings plumet viewers complain too PC

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While i do like the new female doctor the stories i find are too PC and boring with no villains just look at the last episode when i found out that galaxies badass assassins where helping humanity i fell asleep was as exciting as watching paint dry.
As star wars already have gone through this i have no idea why BBC would follow same idea that resulted in loss of money?.
I have watched doctor who from 1st episode of season 1 to current unless they start making it more interesting and stick with what works to keep this series running i won't be watching it anymore.
I have found a new sci-fi though a youtube original Origin it has great story with some sort of alien killing off the crew one by one.

 
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Wow. This is the first I've heard that they've made Doctor Who female.

I stopped watching it years ago. I was never a big fan of the show to be honest, but I thought the Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant periods were ok and I even watched most of the Matt Smith episodes.

Like Torchwood though, I felt they eventually ruined it by introducing more and more romance. It started to feel more like soap than sci-fi. But Peter Capaldi was the nail in the coffin for me. His acting was so dreadful I couldn't bear to watch it any more. He just didn't seem natural or comfortable in the role.

For me Tom Baker will always be the 'real' Doctor Who.
 
Moltuae said:
For me Tom Baker will always be the 'real' Doctor Who.
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Absolutely.
Started watching Dr Who in the late 70's/early 80's with Tom Baker, he has always been my favorite. Loved the cameo he made in the crossover episodes they did a few years ago.

I haven't watched the new episodes yet as I got my girlfriend into Dr Who and I've been streaming the older episodes to get her caught up before watching the new ones.
 
Moltuae said:
But Peter Capaldi was the nail in the coffin for me. His acting was so dreadful I couldn't bear to watch it any more.

For me Tom Baker will always be the 'real' Doctor Who.
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It's always a personal thing, but I think that the Brits (and many in other countries) have a fondness for Dr Who for a lot of reasons.

Unfortunately, the previous producer Steven Moffat put a lot of people off by getting a bit too smug/clever in his storylines. With the new female Doctor, a lot of us were interested in how it was going to move forward, but despite Jodie Whittaker's best efforts (and it was always going to be tough) I think that the heavily-PC storylines have badly let her down and pretty much stuffed up the chances of this rebooting of the franchise .

The PC is not even subtle.

I hope that they realise their mistake, but seeing as there isn't going to be a Christmas edition for the first time in forever, I won't hold my breath.
 
ChrisTech said:
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The PC is not even subtle.

I hope that they realise their mistake, but seeing as there isn't going to be a Christmas edition for the first time in forever, I won't hold my breath.
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I noticed the PC stuff cropping in a couple of years ago. Just here and there initially but always becoming more obvious. There was a huge amount of discussion when it was announce he was now a she. But I've not seen any of her performances so I'll reserve judgement. But if it's a case PC>PC>PC>PC>PC and so on no amount of excellent acting, irregardless of gender, will save the show.
 
Markverhyden said:
But if it's a case PC>PC>PC>PC>PC and so on no amount of excellent acting, irregardless of gender, will save the show.
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Have a look at a few episodes, including the Rosa Parks story. They couldn't even give a decent reason in the storyline for why someone would try and stop Mrs Parks - the episode just seemed to be a kind of social justice "look at how bad things were".

I watch(ed) Dr Who for entertainment - if I want to watch a programme about civil rights, I'll watch a documentary.
 
PC doesn't sell. Make a good product/service and leave the politics out of it please. I don't want to be exposed to propaganda or other people's political beliefs. Trying to bash me over the head with bullsh*t isn't going to brainwash me into accepting something that I don't believe in.
 
True Whovians don't say "Dr. Who", but rather Doctor Who, but I digress. :-)

I don't think it's "PC", but the stories have been mixed. Things are returning more towards the roots of the show. Much more adventures on earth, less non-humanoid monsters. The show was stale after 50+ years and needed a radical change and returned to the roots. It is dealing more with the issues of the day. That's why Capaldi faced himself in the transition episode. When he asked "Am I a good man?" he was asking about his origins and purpose. The origins of Doctor Who was to teach and entertain.

It reminds me more of Star Trek now, which of course borrowed from Doctor Who. Gene Roddenberry saw the Enterprise's goal to more accurately reflect the best our planet had to offer. It was "PC" then to have an executive staff made up of an African-American woman along with a Russian and an Asian-American. We see how that show turned out! Both shows commented on the world indirectly and in-particular about the ravages of war.

LIke every Doctor, this one needs to find their place. I'm not a big fan of Bradley Walsh /Graham. He's about as useful as Ian was to the first Doctor. Great actor in Law & Order UK (that show has so many Doctor Who connections). I hope he finds someone on an alien world like Susan did and says goodbye.

It's entertainment and even at 6.1 Million viewers, that is nothing to sneeze at. I absolutely admit it's trying to push buttons and make people think. The fact that we're having this discussion shows it is working.
 
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I must say I love Dr. Who. It's the greatest thing to come out of the UK since Crumpets and English Muffins.
 
calldrdave said:
It is dealing more with the issues of the day. That's why Capaldi faced himself in the transition episode. When he asked "Am I a good man?" he was asking about his origins and purpose. The origins of Doctor Who was to teach and entertain.
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I disagree - it was first and foremost to entertain. The origins of Dr Who was well before entertainment had to "teach" anything! :)

calldrdave said:
It reminds me more of Star Trek now, which of course borrowed from Doctor Who. Gene Roddenberry saw the Enterprise's goal to more accurately reflect the best our planet had to offer. It was "PC" then to have an executive staff made up of an African-American woman along with a Russian and an Asian-American. We see how that show turned out!
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Agreed, although Star Trek didn't spend whole episodes on 'woke' subjects - you could infer the message about African-American, etc. but the program didn't hit you over the head with it.

calldrdave said:
LIke every Doctor, this one needs to find their place. I'm not a big fan of Bradley Walsh /Graham. He's about as useful as Ian was to the first Doctor. Great actor in Law & Order UK (that show has so many Doctor Who connections). I hope he finds someone on an alien world like Susan did and says goodbye.
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Agreed - the whole ensemble of 'assistants' needs a rethink IMHO.

calldrdave said:
It's entertainment and even at 6.1 Million viewers, that is nothing to sneeze at. I absolutely admit it's trying to push buttons and make people think. The fact that we're having this discussion shows it is working.
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Yes, but it is entertainment, that's the point. It's trying too hard to push buttons, and that's why it is getting complaints, at least in the UK. Dr Who is an institution here and people don't like the extent of the PC being pushed in it.

My two pence/cents worth! ;)
 
From what i read so far seems writers and director are not getting artistic input and the BBC is forcing all that PC stuff into the episodes and have almost full control over the content, fine i will just watch something else i have found Origin to be very entertaining sci-fi.
There is talk of most of the cast leaving as well as the director i don't blame them from what i hear the BBC has lost touch of what the fans want just like what happened to star wars with Disney.
 
ChrisTech said:
Agreed - the whole ensemble of 'assistants' needs a rethink IMHO.
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The sidekick position has been around for ages, literally. Robinson Crusoe and Friday. Hamlet and Horatio. Don Quixote and Sancho Panza. What I really liked about Dr. Who was they expanded it, as in K9. But I agree, they need to work in some other ideas on that character.
 
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No, it really wasn't.
Doctor Who started out as a children's programme and the original plan was that it would be a sneaky way of teaching children history and science. Stories were supposed to alternate between the future (science) and the past (history) and if you look at the early Hartnell episodes you'll see that this is exactly what they did. It very quickly became a victim of its own success once adults realised that it was a pretty good sci-fi show and the educational aspects took a bit of a sideline, but if you look carefully you can see traces of the original mission all over the place.
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But any "message" was subtle - now it isn't. My neighbour (whose parents originated from India) is a big Dr Who fan and watched the new series first episode with me and after the end credits showing the actors who were going to be in future episodes, he said "They're trying a bit too hard, aren't they". At this stage he doesn't watch it any more, either.

Markverhyden said:
The sidekick position has been around for ages, literally. Robinson Crusoe and Friday. Hamlet and Horatio. Don Quixote and Sancho Panza. What I really liked about Dr. Who was they expanded it, as in K9. But I agree, they need to work in some other ideas on that character.
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Nothing wrong with sidekicks - its the ensemble of them. Jodie Whittakers job was tough enough (new Doctor and first female Doctor) and IMHO I don't think that she needed the distraction of so many assistants as she tries to establish herself.
 
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