Draytek has let me down, I'm looking for suggestions for a new SMB router to recomend

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Hi everyone, I support residential and small business clients (typically 20 people or less). In most cases they don't have real servers nor need many of the high end, high expense features that are common with Watch Guard or Sonicwall.

I've been recommending and deploying the Draytek Vigor 2920n for several years and have had great success with them, until recently. I love them for their features, price point and decent quality. I recently had one that worked great for about 6 months, and then started to have issues. Since they aren't really setup in the US and work through resellers that sometimes work through other resellers, the warrant return and support was a nightmare. Many many chats and remote access and 2 months later I got the router "repaired." Its still not quite right, but working.


So, this leaves me not wanting to go through that again and looking for a new router for my business clients to call home. It should have basic VLAN capabilities, wifi, VPN + all the normal fixens. Looking for the $2-400 price range. I do like the option to add on content and viral filtering if the client wants it.

I'm looking at the Netgear UTM9S, but it is a bit highly priced at $470 for my clients. I've used Zyxel in the past, but just not sure if their quality is up to me feeling confident in deploying it in high demand business environments.

PS. Long story, but i will never use watch guard again!
 
Cisco RV-220W (Wireless) for a standard router.

I'm just curious why they wouldn't go for a Watchguard UTM solution? It just makes sense to do that in todays world. I've tested a Netgear UTM-9S when they were just released, and wasn't impressed with it. A severe lack of reporting facilities, and lack of end user control put me off, along with the unit requiring the web browser you are using to require flash in order to pull up any report. If you're a Netgear Powershift Partner though, you should be able to get a loan unit from Netgear to see if it will work for your client.

Andy
 
For the tiny small biz/workgroups, the Cisco RV series. 180/220.
Really prefer to separate the router/wireless/switch for our business clients, and I'm very strong in having UTM appliances at the edge for businesses. However...sometimes we have a very small/super cheap biz client that has a small office where an all in one wireless router will work, and the Cisco (Linksys Small Business Series) RV models do well. We've been reselling the "RV" series for over 10 years, have sold hundreds 'n hundreds of 'em. Reliable, stable, handle heavy loads well, last a long time, good firewall features.

They have a newer RV320 model I haven't gotten my hands on yet, looking forward to it.
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanw...co-rv320-dual-gigabit-wan-vpn-router-reviewed

But for smaller networks now, the Sonicwall TZ base models are quite affordable and having UTM features via additional malware scanning at the gateway is just a basic necessity for businesses these days. Complimenting Safe DNS services....as well as different brands of AV on the workstations/servers. It's all about layered protection, and the edge appliance (via UTM features) is one of the basic components of that layered defense.
 
Anyone have experience with the Ubiquity Edgemax? For $100 plus $70 for an access point it looks like a nice combination for a small office.

http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax#EdgeMAXhardware

I want to get one of those when our 10 meg fiber pipe comes in, I like the fast throughput on it.

Review on the old original OS here...
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32012-first-look-ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite

They did release a new OS on it since that review...supposed to be quite more user friendly. Near gigabit routing performance and an quite high state count...looks sweet! Dang low price too...lots of "bang for the buck".
 
I had been using the Netgate Miniwall with pfsense for small offices, but this has better performance at half the price.
I think I am going to buy one to check out.
 
I want to get one of those when our 10 meg fiber pipe comes in, I like the fast throughput on it.

Review on the old original OS here...
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/32012-first-look-ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite

They did release a new OS on it since that review...supposed to be quite more user friendly. Near gigabit routing performance and an quite high state count...looks sweet! Dang low price too...lots of "bang for the buck".

I picked one up for labbing, and really like it. Even with the newest firmware, these things are far from user friendly. If you just need WAN/Lan interfaces, and PnP, then their plug and play, but you'll likely be in the CLI if you need any common firewall/natting/port forwarding, VPN setup, etc. Still an AWESOME bang for buck, and blazing fast. Plus, check the video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aRDVVXMFzE

As for other options - Checkpoint 600 series are nice full featured UTMs with really nice metrics, AD integration, VPN capabilities, and can be purchased with or without WiFi, with or without the NGFW capabilities. 620 starts at 300 if I remember correctly, and is good for about 20 users.

I would recommend the Cisco ISA5000 series as their the best bang for buck UTMS I've found, but they have been prematurely end of life'd by Cisco.
 
I would recommend the Cisco ISA5000 series as their the best bang for buck UTMS I've found, but they have been prematurely end of life'd by Cisco.

Yeah...I was SOOOO excited when that came out (I remember making a post her)....and then it was disco'd so dang quickly..what a bummer. I know they're revitalizing the "Linksys Small Business" series...so I can only hope that product re-emerges under that branding. Was pretty much like an RV series with UTM features.

On a side note....you can take a basic non UTM small biz grade router (like an RV series)...and make it a "hybrid UTM product" by setting the client up with that new OpenDNS pay for service. Yes there's a yearly subscription rate, per person. May or may not come out cheaper than just getting a full 'n proper UTM appliance.
 
I had been using the Netgate Miniwall with pfsense for small offices, but this has better performance at half the price.
I think I am going to buy one to check out.

Those little Netgates w/PFSense are wicked good, they fly. We've had a few of those at clients...one of our larger clients will has a few of them for their WAN and mobile team.
 
Zyxel are awesome. USG50 or higher, been doing 110's standard. Don't need reboots ever on them
 
Just out of curiosity, anyone use a high end consumer loaded with dd-wrt in a small business? For those locations that don't need gateway antivirus/spam filtering, I wonder if the horse power of something like that Asus AC68u + DD-wrt would be appropriate. I haven't messed with DD-wrt in years. But i do remember thinking it was feature rich back then and I know it does support VPN and VLAN's.
 
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