For those of you in BNI/Chamber groups ...

I attended a local BNI group meeting many years ago. My take was that if I didn't bring in at least one qualified referral, that I would be booted out of the group. There are times when the pickings are lean. Hard to give referrals occasionally if it is from the same group of clients that you have. As such, I declined to join the group. A colleague of mine is now in the local BNI group, but I haven't talked with him about his results.
 
Filled in for my colleague at his BNI meeting this morning...I hadn't visited his chapter in quite a few years, and I hadn't gone to a BNI meeting since I left my chapter last year. Was good to go....found I had missed it. And I asked for a warm lead to a commercial cleaning service company that recently moved to a new office about 3 blocks from our office. And I got a warm lead from that chapters mortgage guy...who is great friends with one of the owners of the company I asked about. Hopefully go meet her next week.
 
I was just part of the founding of our BNI in my area about 6 months ago. It paid for it self in the first month. Picked up a $2400 a month maintenance contract from the big law firm in the group. It sounds like I may be getting hosed on the fees though. It wa $450 a year, $200 application fee and $50 a month.
 
Nope, that sounds right.

Our BNI has a meeting room, and we have it catered for Breakfast, tea coffee etc.

We pay $10/week into the meeting room and catering.
We pay $644.10 (this includes taxes) per year for membership dues.
New members pay an additional 226 on their first year for signup, but there's no fee for applying (people who are not accepted into the group don't pay a fee) for a total of $870.10 for new members for that first year.
 
I attended a local BNI group meeting many years ago. My take was that if I didn't bring in at least one qualified referral, that I would be booted out of the group. There are times when the pickings are lean. Hard to give referrals occasionally if it is from the same group of clients that you have. As such, I declined to join the group. A colleague of mine is now in the local BNI group, but I haven't talked with him about his results.
I wish to retract my previous statement about BNI. Last week I was invited attend the weekly meeting of the local BNI group. Things have significantly improved. I did not get the feeling of mandatory referrals. Absences seem to be pretty lax as well. Much larger group than when I visited 8 or whatever years ago. Currently 28 members I believe. I personally know 1 person and am familiar with the business about half of the businesses. I'm filling out an application now to join them.
 
I'm similar in that I'm a one-man-band and do mostly business work and occasionally top it up with residential work.

I've only been a member of BNI for about 5 months but I had very few small jobs. Perhaps if your chapter is pushing everyone hard to give referrals that's where the weak referrals given are coming from. I'd encourage you to really look closely at the message you're putting across though. Some of the things I recommend:

* Have a tagline and make sure it says business. (I'm not very creative so for me it's simply "IT Zen - For Small Business IT"). Say that tagline every time you speak.

* Focus your weekly message on business problems/solutions: SharePoint, QuickBooks upgrades, server upgrades etc

* Talk a LOT about your ethics, your communication, and how you like to go above-and-beyond to delight your customers. Give examples to prove it. Why? If someone refers a friend to you to get Windows upgraded there's not a lot that can go wrong. For someone to refer a business client of their own to use your services though then that can potentially go very badly for the referrer. They need to know that you will do a great job, because your work is a reflection on them. I did my ten minute talk last week and I pretty much said that word for word. Show that you understand this and will treat referred customers right.

* Don't talk much about what you do at a technical level. No-one else cares, and if you talk too much techno-babble it will reinforce the idea that you are a geek, and not someone that understands business.

* Adjust your message slightly every week, but always frame it in business terms. Ie. If you talk about the Cryptolocker virus one week, do NOT talk about how you can repair the virus. Instead talk about how it can encrypt shares on servers and the importance of backup and disaster recovery.

* Don't be afraid to stand up and say "The key for success in my business is picking up businesses in the [x] to [y] employee size". Be explicit about what you want. If you still have crappy referals coming through say "I'm finding I'm too busy to focusing on my customers these days so am no longer taking on residential work". (This may not be completely true, but it should stop the unwanted referals).

* Also, be specific about the referals you want each week. Rather than saying "This week I'm looking for referals for law firms", instead say "I think I can provide a lot of value to Smith & Jones Law Firm. If anyone knows any decision makers at this company I'd love an introduction". Chances are someone knows someone at that company, and by being specific you are far more likely to get a 'hit'.

* Treat everyone in your BNI chapter like they're an existing client of yours, and you want to have a conversation with them about some aspect of their business IT. Show that you understand and can solve business problems that they may be having. So rather than saying "This week I'm after a referral for a company that needs their backups audited", get up and say "How many people in this room know if their server backups succeeded last night? Shouldn't you know? For those of you with working backups, how many of you know how long it will take to recover everything in a disaster scenario? If your server died at 4pm, how much data would you lose? What is the cost to your business to get it back? Can you even get it all back?". Then offer to perform a free audit of backup systems for all BNI members. Showing that you can proactively solve their business problems also shows them that you understand and can solve their customers problems too.

* Speak to each relevant member (ie. web designer, insurance guy, accountant, business consultant, electrician) and say you'd like to catch up with them one-on-one. Meet over a coffee and learn more about their business and listen out for items you can help with. If the electricians do IP camera installs chances are they could use someone to help them figure out "all that IP stuff". Perhaps the business consultant has a standard CRM system he recommends but it doesn't talk to Xero. Maybe you can help automate it. Talk to the insurance guy about backups, disaster recovery and business continuity. Show that you're an expert in the area and you have solutions, including cheap or free ones. You may be surprised at how many problems you can solve come out of these conversations, and you've now planted the seed in these members minds.

My mindset with BNI is not to make millions from direct referals. My focus is on trying to meet people at other companies, do small jobs for them and do those jobs very well (and at a fair price). So for example when I speak to the electrician about helping set up the networking side of the IP cameras they put in, my interest isn't in that work. My interest is getting on-site to all of their clients and meeting them. If possible I'll try to talk about other IT stuff while I'm there. If an employee swears at their computer I might offer to help. Or I might notice that their USB backup drive is dusty (ie. hasn't ever been taken off-site) so I can offer to purchase and set up a second drive so they can have off-site backup. I couldn't care less if I make $0 on the IP work and on the backup job. The key thing is I have met another business and shown that I can solve IT problems, that I can communicate clearly, that I'm good value for money and I'm proactive If that company isn't happy with the value or quality of service they're receiving from their current IT provider I want to be top of their mind.
 
I'm similar in that I'm a one-man-band and do mostly business work and occasionally top it up with residential work.

I've only been a member of BNI for about 5 months but I had very few small jobs. Perhaps if your chapter is pushing everyone hard to give referrals that's where the weak referrals given are coming from. I'd encourage you to really look closely at the message you're putting across though. Some of the things I recommend:

* Have a tagline and make sure it says business. (I'm not very creative so for me it's simply "IT Zen - For Small Business IT"). Say that tagline every time you speak.

* Focus your weekly message on business problems/solutions: SharePoint, QuickBooks upgrades, server upgrades etc

* Talk a LOT about your ethics, your communication, and how you like to go above-and-beyond to delight your customers. Give examples to prove it. Why? If someone refers a friend to you to get Windows upgraded there's not a lot that can go wrong. For someone to refer a business client of their own to use your services though then that can potentially go very badly for the referrer. They need to know that you will do a great job, because your work is a reflection on them. I did my ten minute talk last week and I pretty much said that word for word. Show that you understand this and will treat referred customers right.

* Don't talk much about what you do at a technical level. No-one else cares, and if you talk too much techno-babble it will reinforce the idea that you are a geek, and not someone that understands business.

* Adjust your message slightly every week, but always frame it in business terms. Ie. If you talk about the Cryptolocker virus one week, do NOT talk about how you can repair the virus. Instead talk about how it can encrypt shares on servers and the importance of backup and disaster recovery.

* Don't be afraid to stand up and say "The key for success in my business is picking up businesses in the [x] to [y] employee size". Be explicit about what you want. If you still have crappy referals coming through say "I'm finding I'm too busy to focusing on my customers these days so am no longer taking on residential work". (This may not be completely true, but it should stop the unwanted referals).

* Also, be specific about the referals you want each week. Rather than saying "This week I'm looking for referals for law firms", instead say "I think I can provide a lot of value to Smith & Jones Law Firm. If anyone knows any decision makers at this company I'd love an introduction". Chances are someone knows someone at that company, and by being specific you are far more likely to get a 'hit'.

* Treat everyone in your BNI chapter like they're an existing client of yours, and you want to have a conversation with them about some aspect of their business IT. Show that you understand and can solve business problems that they may be having. So rather than saying "This week I'm after a referral for a company that needs their backups audited", get up and say "How many people in this room know if their server backups succeeded last night? Shouldn't you know? For those of you with working backups, how many of you know how long it will take to recover everything in a disaster scenario? If your server died at 4pm, how much data would you lose? What is the cost to your business to get it back? Can you even get it all back?". Then offer to perform a free audit of backup systems for all BNI members. Showing that you can proactively solve their business problems also shows them that you understand and can solve their customers problems too.

* Speak to each relevant member (ie. web designer, insurance guy, accountant, business consultant, electrician) and say you'd like to catch up with them one-on-one. Meet over a coffee and learn more about their business and listen out for items you can help with. If the electricians do IP camera installs chances are they could use someone to help them figure out "all that IP stuff". Perhaps the business consultant has a standard CRM system he recommends but it doesn't talk to Xero. Maybe you can help automate it. Talk to the insurance guy about backups, disaster recovery and business continuity. Show that you're an expert in the area and you have solutions, including cheap or free ones. You may be surprised at how many problems you can solve come out of these conversations, and you've now planted the seed in these members minds.

My mindset with BNI is not to make millions from direct referals. My focus is on trying to meet people at other companies, do small jobs for them and do those jobs very well (and at a fair price). So for example when I speak to the electrician about helping set up the networking side of the IP cameras they put in, my interest isn't in that work. My interest is getting on-site to all of their clients and meeting them. If possible I'll try to talk about other IT stuff while I'm there. If an employee swears at their computer I might offer to help. Or I might notice that their USB backup drive is dusty (ie. hasn't ever been taken off-site) so I can offer to purchase and set up a second drive so they can have off-site backup. I couldn't care less if I make $0 on the IP work and on the backup job. The key thing is I have met another business and shown that I can solve IT problems, that I can communicate clearly, that I'm good value for money and I'm proactive If that company isn't happy with the value or quality of service they're receiving from their current IT provider I want to be top of their mind.

Great points! I just joined a BNI group and this i what I have noticed. I have already gotten 3 referrals in 2 weeks. I believe the difference between the OP's and your's experience is the type of businesses that are in the group. @OP, You may want to invite others to join the group and that way it gains more traction and you add more "professional" members versus in home diy craft sales people.
 
BNI works for me but unfortunately, I have to give it up about 2 - 3 months ago. I got a big client that requires regular maintenance which conflict with scheduling.

Did I read that right. Your paying $70 a month? I think I was paying $50 per quarter.

I gave a lot of discount and freebie service for BNI but it pays back quadruple. Most of the referrals are residential but the biz account I acquire are becoming repeat customer.

In my area, there's approx 5 or 6 chapters. You might want to try another chapter.

Good luck.
BNI around me is $465 a year and $120 monthly.
 
I am not in a BNI. I was going to join one. The IT guy quit because he sucked so went to have a visit. I went through the application process but the guy said I am basically in here. I already knew people in there and when I walked in I got greeted from them. That gave me a little legitimacy. People like to see that. But life changed so I couldn't join the group which sucks because there are 60 people in that group. Also the hotel that it's held in owes me money for IT work I did. But I am part of the chamber of Commerce and two other referral groups. The groups I say have been what has driven a good portion of my business. People have to trust you and by being involved in many groups and being seen at other events people start to trust you and give you business. I am also an ambassador for the chamber so when I build relationships with other businesses for the chamber it benefits my business as well. I do say though that if BNI is costing you more than what you make off of it, ditch it. Time is money baby.
 
My current costs for BNI are $410 a year + $70 a month and with the residential jobs I DO take on I am probably just breaking even on membership costs (because I do still take them mainly as favors). However there is a computer company in EVERY surrounding BNI and I am reluctant to give up my spot, and I just think I'm doing something wrong or something. I don't want to dog BNI but my group has the regular career members (insurance, mortgage, real estate), but it's mostly filled with people just scraping by selling jewelry, clothes, diet plans, pills, hypnotherapy, and other weird stuff. If these people are dabbling in something to try it out and barely making it, It makes me feel like it would be pretty difficult to get a quality referral from them.
I think it does depend on the local group. Definitely read Gareths post to make sure you are doing things right, but if you feel you are this is how I read what I quoted here:
"I don't want to give up my spot of breaking even with people with no money, because I don't want my competitor to take it"

Put into that context, assuming you are working BNI right, do you think its worth going to?
 
Good timing on this thread....it's been a bit over 1 year since I left my BNI group (personal reasons...just unable to squeeze it in....I will probably return in another year). But in the past 3 weeks, I've gotten 3 referrals from members of my old BNI group. 1 came in a few weeks ago, immediate call, onsite, labor, and RFQ for 2 dual monitor desktops and a laptop w/projector, a new NAS, and offsite backup.
Last week a prior BNI member from my old group, who transferred to a different BNI group more near his office...called me to go meet him to setup his new office. He bought a building for his business and will be moving in this winter. Wiring job, network closet 'n setup, etc...soon to come.
This morning I got another referral call for a dermatology office that their current IT guy is dropping the ball on, I need to parachute out of the sky and take over.

...the gift that keeps on giving....
 
That's how I see BNI for me in the future. It's the Tier 2 and above referrals that keep coming years later. It'll be a slow process to get the referrals flowing. Yes, it is kind of Cult-ish. But you don't have to buy expensive items after your membership is paid. My fee was in the $500 range (goes back to BNI corporate), plus $30 per quarter for room rental fee (goes to the local chapter).
 
I think it takes a specific personality to be of benefit in a BNI group. I recently joined a similar group. I have seen these guys pass around thousands of dollars worth of referrals every meeting. That's closed business. I have heard stories of this business being their side hustle and have grew over years with the relationships that have been built withing this tight knit clan. I have always referred people, BC I am just a supporter of local small business. Remember that you build relationships, and from there you build busienss. Word of mouth has been our best advertisement how about yours?
 
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