Huge favor to ask - laptop batteries

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Most of the regulars on Technibble know that recently I converted my vintage 10-speed bicycle to electric assist. I've been riding the heck out of it (375 miles) until I got side-lined with shoulder surgery (torn rotator-cuff muscles, bone spurs and bicep tendon repairs) two weeks ago and am in an immobilizing sling for 10+ weeks. Regardless I am already looking forward to next spring and return to riding. I'm also looking to add electric assist drives to my daughter and her husband's bikes as they enjoy biking and have been renting Bcycles almost every weekend.

I also have been looking for a quirky electric vehicle for local on-site work call outs. As mentioned in the thread I have a ZAP Xebra available to me but it needs new batteries. Even with fresh lead-acid batteries it only has about a 10 mile radius from my house (20 mile range with hills) and even that is pushing hard on lead-acid batteries shortening their life which are only rated at 2-3 years. I'm looking to convert it to lithium-ion which will double the range both on the energy gained and the weight lost by using lithium batteries. Getting it to be a work vehicle is a long-term project that remains to be seen but is the final goal.

Half the expense of either of these projects are the lithium batteries. These are the same cylindrical batteries that come in the removable (not flat-pack internal) laptop batteries. I have the equipment to cycle and test to determine good from bad cells in the packs. Most packs fail because either a cell or two went bad or the BMS (Battery Management System) failed and still have good cells in them. I've got a good start on the bikes from the old laptop batteries from my shop but finding more is proving to be a bigger challenge than anticipated. I sent everything to recycling that I had several months ago not anticipating these projects. The local townships have recycling centers but my timing has been poor there also as they've been picked up a matter of days before I stopped and they accumulate them very slowly. I don't have the IT contacts in too many larger corporations around here but am pursuing the ones I do have. I'm also working my way through the local computer repair shops outside my area but most don't know me or view me as a competitor and are not very receptive.

Now that I've rambled on forever the favor that I'd like to ask is if anyone would please box up their old laptop batteries (external removable kind, not internal flat packs) and send them my way I'd be incredibly grateful. I'm more than happy to pay for postage and handling (North America only please). Just PM me a name, address and how much and I'll send a check your way (or PayPal if preferred). Maybe someone has a better idea of how I should go about this, but the group here has access to quite a supply of retired batteries and feels they know me pretty well by now to know I'm truly on the level with this request. Again, it's asking allot and I've debated even making the request for awhile but don't know of a better way to pursue this project. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks
 
Talking about the ones that look like a oversized AA? Those cells are the most common, Telsa uses them. They are present on almost all laptops that have removable batteries that are "thicker", say .75". But I think those are all older models. I think I might have a few lying around so I'll let you know. Another source. Handheld battery operated tools use those types of cells as well in the battery packs.

Have you looked at the regulations for shipping those types of batteries? Due to a handful of spectacular failures, in the early days, during transportation it's not simple. Shippers are very picky about shipping these things because of those events. OEM's have to go through a vetting process to ship by airfreight, ground is a little less demanding. I get that question all the time when I drop off stuff going back to vendors/OEM's, especially at FedEx.

The other is disposal. Since you've got some local sites thats good. But those battery types are not recyclable like lead acid.

Do you have a local battery "place". Not talking about those strip mall retail places. I've got one near me so I'll stop by to see if they have any suggestions.

Best of luck.
 
Talking about the ones that look like a oversized AA?

Yep - They're referred to as 18650s. 18mm diam x 65mm long. The older Tesla's used them. The new Model 3 use 21700s made in the US under Panasonic license I think. Shipping ground isn't a problem from what I understand but I don't know about Canada regulations.

The failed cells I find during testing I package individually in heavy 2 oz plastic bags before forwarding to the local county recycling center. My local county recycling center has a bit of an attitude and won't give me the whole laptop battery packs because I'm not an "authorized" recycler..... Everyone else has been very cooperative once I explain the second life I'm trying to give them.
 
A Craigslist post might turn up some locally. I have a few I'd send you, but I scrounge the cells myself for use in flashlights. I also intend to make some car jump-starters and convert a couple old cordless drill battery packs, using cheap battery controller boards from Aliexpress.com. And eventually maybe I'll get one of those motorized bike wheels.
 
The problem with most battery operated devices is that they were built for the 6/12 volt world which does not fit lithium batteries well. The new lithium-iron-phosphate batteries work in the 3.2 volt area so they are a nice replacement for conventional batteries but are so new there are no surplus cells and they are very expensive.

Yes - Hub motors are a more economical choice to build up an ebike. Now I'm seeing off-road ebikes with front and rear hub motors for all-wheel drive.
 
The problem with most battery operated devices is that they were built for the 6/12 volt world which does not fit lithium batteries well.
Depends on the application. 4 cells will work well for a jump starter, and should work for a 12v or 14.4v cordless drill. 5 cells is a perfect match for an 18v cordless drill. Of course, it's probably not worth the time and effort vs. just buying new stuff, but there's always the satisfaction of beating the system. :)
 
I bought a used homemade electric bike 3 months ago never been off it has a range of 30 miles with very little peddling
in the process of building 2 more
also bought a nonworking electric mountain bike took me 6 weeks, 10 mins here and there to fix it
there was a hidden bad fuse from the charger to the battery, the wires were touching from the brake disconnect and a few other things
then I twisted the throttle and it reared up was I happy.

so you must have a spot welder, that's what I want in the process of making one from an old microwave
 
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The pack on my bike I bought pre-made. It's a 12ah 52v wireless encased in epoxy. I get about 50 miles with moderate pedaling. It's using Samsung 30q cells. -

@add - I'm glad to hear you are really enjoying ebikes also. Brings me a smile every time I ride.
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The only one I've made so far is a first effort using fuse wires and buss bar (twisted 12ga copper wire). It's done in the style below but that's not mine. (Below is for a powerwall). I may get a spot welder but I like the idea of fusing each cell.
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