Intel 12th gen and upcoming Amd cpu break software compatibility

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Not only does windows 11 break software compatibility so does 12th gen Intel cpu anything with DRM in fact unless they update it but this is not a perfect world and many older titles that people have bought will not work and will not get updates as many game developers and software developers have gone out of business.
 
Wah. Hardware changes. I can't run old games written 20 years ago to run on my PC. AND plenty of retired games do get altered to run via steam.

Edit: stream-steam frackin' autocorrect.
 
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Wait... wait... WAIT!!!

You mean 12gen Intel CPUs won't let us run ring 0 unsigned code?!?! WTF... how DARE THEY! How DARE THEY not let me execute the most dangerous software ever written by man...

Those monsters.

Seriously, this is why I buy GOG now... all that DRM is for suckers. Always has been, always will be. Good riddance to bad rubbish, Intel should have done this 20 years ago!
 
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What is funny about all this as someone who uses their personal computer for gaming, mining, and video ripping & conversion/compression I see most of this just pushing me to look at running Linux as WINE will solve most of my issues with older games as well also can help resolve some issues with the ripping process. I also think from a tech view point Linux also has some more complicated to use, at least from a WIndows user viewpoint, but also more robust tools so it can also be a good switch professionally.
 
Wait... wait... WAIT!!!

You mean 12gen Intel CPUs won't let us run ring 0 unsigned code?!?! WTF... how DARE THEY! How DARE THEY not let me execute the most dangerous software ever written by man...

Those monsters.

Seriously, this is why I buy GOG now... all that DRM is for suckers. Always has been, always will be. Good riddance to bad rubbish, Intel should have done this 20 years ago!
Calm down Greta lol...
 
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It's the DRM's fault. As for the CAD and other 3D software... things will have to change. The 12th gen chips are essentially two different CPUs bolted together. Not just more cores, but different types of cores. That's a game changer! And one you should expect to expand, the next phase should be to bolt in ARM cores too!

Software has never had to ask which CPU type to run on before... So DRM and things like it are going to be hit. It'll get patched, it always does.
 
It'll get patched, it always does.
Uh, no it won't. Unless it's software that's still supported, you're SOL, and with everything being subscription based nowadays, that means that unless it's all new software, you're screwed. If that's what Intel and AMD were going to do, then Microsoft should have just dumped x86 entirely and made a new version of Linux or something. Apple has changed architectures multiple times and it's gone very well for them. Microsoft either needs to stick to the ONE thing they have to their advantage, which is long term software support, or just jettisoned the whole thing and started over from scratch. Microsoft has tried this multiple times (Windows RT, S-Mode, etc.) but the reason it failed is because no one wants a totally new OS with no support for old software.
 
This really isn't anything new...shouldn't cause any shock.

Remember back in the days of DOS...as CPUs got faster, sometimes we needed to run an add-on for "legacy" software called "slo-mo"?

And then Windows came out...and thinks like 16 bit...and then 32 bit....yes there was backwards compatibility but also some software just couldn't run anymore. Even old DOS software got to be a pain in the butt with wrappers like DosBox.

...and then..64 bit.

Same thing with software for Apple Macs. Some software that came out years ago on older versions of MAC, won't run on current versions anymore.

My old Motorola Startac won't work with Verizon anymore, and it's hard for me to put leaded gas in my truck too!
 
Remember back in the days of DOS...as CPUs got faster, sometimes we needed to run an add-on for "legacy" software called "slo-mo"?
That was a hardware switch. It didn't require thousands of out of support software titles to be updated.

This really isn't anything new
Yes it is. Software now is mostly moving to a SAAS model, which means that older software is never going to be updated. If you have an older piece of software you want to run then you're just SOL.

Same thing with software for Apple Macs. Some software that came out years ago on older versions of MAC, won't run on current versions anymore.
Apple is different. Not only have they undergone several entire architecture changes, Macs don't run the world. If all the Apple computers disappeared from the world no one would even notice but if all PCs disappeared from the world NOTHING would function. Entire governments and fortune 500 companies would grind to a halt. We'd literally be facing a Mad Max scenario.

And then Windows came out...and thinks like 16 bit...and then 32 bit....yes there was backwards compatibility but also some software just couldn't run anymore.
They key word here is SOME. Microsoft made sure there was rock solid backwards compatibility. Only a tiny minority of very horribly programmed software was affected.
 
That was a hardware switch. It didn't require thousands of out of support software titles to be updated.


Yes it is. Software now is mostly moving to a SAAS model, which means that older software is never going to be updated. If you have an older piece of software you want to run then you're just SOL.


Apple is different. Not only have they undergone several entire architecture changes, Macs don't run the world. If all the Apple computers disappeared from the world no one would even notice but if all PCs disappeared from the world NOTHING would function. Entire governments and fortune 500 companies would grind to a halt. We'd literally be facing a Mad Max scenario.


They key word here is SOME. Microsoft made sure there was rock solid backwards compatibility. Only a tiny minority of very horribly programmed software was affected.

This is a hardware change also..12th gen Intel.

Software going to SaaS is a completely different thread. Old software...typically are SOL. I've done nothing but small biz clients for nearly 30 years....I'm well versed in "SOL" with old crap software. One of our guys just came back from a break/fix client that is an appraiser, and runs on this ancient DOS based sfotware, on Sybase, that has gotten more and more difficult to run as newer version of Windows come out. Needs DosBox. This client isn't mine, I'd tell him take a hike, I can't help him. Also still uses old SBS08 for his main server...no longer supported. Over many years I've seen software eventually just not work. Often accounting software. If you run your business on it, keep it updated! Computers and software are the second most important investment for a business aside from employees...time to treat things seriously! Or if you're that cheap, go find something else to do!

Sure Apple doesn't have the market share Windows has, but it's not miniscule either, we have to deal with the , and several times this year I've had to tell clients the reason some software isn't working on their Macs (old software not supported anymore...time to update/upgrade your MAC!!!).

LOL Microsoft has not made sure there was rock solid backwards compatibility. That one is funny right there! LOL.
 
Over many years I've seen software eventually just not work.
The key word here is EVENTUALLY. Intel and AMD have never just released a processor that broke brand new software. If the new CPUs only broke 15+yo software then I wouldn't have much of a problem with it, but when it breaks brand new stuff, that also means that 2+yo stuff that's no longer supported is also going to break, and no one is going to patch it. Essentially their attitude is unless you're running brand new stuff that's going to get patched, get f*cked. If that's the way Microsoft and Intel/AMD are going to play it, then they've lost the ONE advantage they have over Mac OS and Linux, which is long term software support and backwards compatibility. You might as well switch to a different platform. There's no longer any reason to stay with Windows. What a boneheaded move. It's like Microsoft and AMD/Intel WANT to go out of business.

LOL Microsoft has not made sure there was rock solid backwards compatibility.
Microsoft has been crap ever since Windows 8 came out. They've stopped giving a damn about their customers or the user experience, instead obsessing about cloud services and adding new features that literally NO ONE asked for. Windows 7 was the last truly good OS. 8 was terrible, 10 was just okay, and 11 is a dumpster fire. I can't even use the Home version of Windows anymore because I need the group policy editor to turn off all the garbage in Windows to make it even functional.
 
It is what it is. All the bitching about it in the world is not going to change this now.

It will either be patched, or it won't. Everyone is just going to have to deal. And that, my friends, has always been the case.

You cannot please all of the people all of the time, and whether we're talking about an individual or a corporate entity, it's only a fool that would even try. You make certain decisions and you stick with them.
 
And there are people out there that have Pentium IIs running Windows XP to play old games, they'll have a P4 something running Win7 to do the same...

And now... they'll keep some older than 12th gen running Win10 whatever for the same.

None of this is new, and being upset about it is irrational. The ONLY reason Apple isn't having the same problems on their current generation platform is they're OK simply telling everyone to start over.
 
Unless it's software that's still supported, you're SOL, and with everything being subscription based nowadays, that means that unless it's all new software, you're screwed.
Long term support is a double-edged sword. Never forget the zombie IE. I wonder how many government agencies are still using that? Even some new subscription based software relies on that ancient architecture. The compromise is to keep these zombies running until they are no longer in use so that critical infrastructure doesn't shut down in the mean time... and as long as there is a critical system relying on it, Microsoft will be forced to maintain support.
 
@Galdorf


It's the DRM's fault. As for the CAD and other 3D software... things will have to change. The 12th gen chips are essentially two different CPUs bolted together. Not just more cores, but different types of cores. That's a game changer! And one you should expect to expand, the next phase should be to bolt in ARM cores too!

Software has never had to ask which CPU type to run on before... So DRM and things like it are going to be hit. It'll get patched, it always does.
No it does not always get patched there are some games that were released this year the company went under no longer exists thus no patches will be available.

So if you upgrade to intel 12th gen your out 80 bucks.
Also it us not just an issue with drm programs like 3d mark refuse to run on 12th gen intel cpu and hundreds of other titles which is why i would never buy one.
 
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No it does not always get patched there are some games that were released this year the company went under no longer exists thus no patches will be available.

So if you upgrade to intel 12th gen your out 80 bucks.
Also it us not just an issue with drm programs like 3d mark refuse to run on 12th gen intel cpu and hundreds of other titles which is why i would never buy one.
This happens with all upgrades, you don't want to know much much money "I've lost" because things aged out.

Crap happens, better tech keeps coming.

Also... if 3DMark doesn't work... how the heck is this a thing? https://hothardware.com/reviews/intel-12th-gen-core-alder-lake-cpu-review?page=4
 
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