NAS vs. Windows PCs....

drjones

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Hi all.

I'm needing/wanting a new NAS for personal use; storing movies, music, etc.

I have a couple Netgear ReadyNAS right now, and have installed many of them for clients. Overall, I'm fairly happy with them and they have worked pretty well but I'm having some issues cropping up that are wearing on me; one clients' NAS isn't booting properly/regularly for some reason, and - this is a big one - on another, the "Replicate" - remote backup to another NAS - isn't working any more.

I've been working with Netgear's email support on both of these issues, which is obviously very slow - 12-24-ish hours in between replies.

Overall, I'm not super impressed with Netgear's support however.


In any case, for my personal stuff, here's what I really want in a device:

- Local backup to USB.

- The most important to me is a GOOD, RELIABLE OFFSITE BACKUP to another device that I own. For a lot of reasons, I'm not interested in any cloud solution for my personal media, one big reason is I've got so much stuff the cost would be prohibitive; about 1TB of stuff total.

- Good performance. I'm very happy with my ReadyNAS Ultra 6's ability to stream 1080p movies to my WD TV Live media player and even my iPad. No issues whatsoever. Any PC should easily be able to do the same or far better performance-wise.

- I don't really need any fancy services that some of the NAS's claim to offer, with what seems to be mixed results. I use iTunes/AirPlay to listen to my mp3s and iTunes doesn't care where my media is stored, and I have my WD TV Live and a great iPad app to watch movies, again doesn't matter where they're stored. I will take Plex for a test drive though, and again seems like having a Windows machine will make it easier here...

Netgear's Replicate has been pretty good overall, but the support is really troubling. Their new 6.0 OS seems intriguing, but I've seen remarks from very experienced former Netgear employees that it's very buggy. OS 6.0 is supposed to have replicate built in, allowing you to (theoretically) backup one NAS to another in an off-site location, but it's still very new & remains to be seen how well it works.

Synology; I can't get a good read on how well their remote backup to another Synology works. I can't even figure out WTF it's called; network backup, server backup, remote backup....jeeze.....is it that hard to give the service one name??

So I'm thinking I have enough spare PCs lying around that are far more powerful than any of these other NAS, I could just load a fresh install of Windows 7 (no, I have no interest in learning/tinkering with a FreeNAS or similar) run plex which seems to be pretty cool, load cobian for a good reliable USB backup, load crashplan onto it, and load crashplan onto a secondary PC that I could keep offsite.

Crashplan seems to work very well and very reliably, even for large amounts of data, it just keeps plugging away until it's done. I really like the interface and email alerts. Same for Cobian for my local backup to USB.

If I really wanted to get fancy, I could maybe throw an additional HD into these PCs and do a basic software RAID 1 through Windows too, or just use Acronis to image it or something...not sure yet. Is there a good software RAID monitor for Windows? I fully understand that software RAID is less than ideal, however this is for my own personal use and everything will be constantly backed up, which is really more important than any downtime I may face.

Problem solved....?

Plus there's cost to consider; the NAS's I'm looking at are around $1k a piece with 2x2TB drives....I could outfit the PCs I've got with some 3TB internal drives, USB drives for backup and probably be completely done with 2 units like I want for under $500.

What do you guys think?

I think I'll get started with one PC to see how it performs in my actual network for streaming & give Plex a spin....
 
Well so far I've gotten plex running on a 6GB, Core i3 system I've got here...Plex is pretty cool. I will be curious to try out the MyPlex which says it'll stream your media anywhere, over 3G.

Only downside I'm seeing is file transfer to this NAS/PC is slower than my Ultra 6....closer to 30mb/sustained.

I'm going to try some better ethernet cable & see if that helps. It's Cat 5e but not sure if big or little "e".

Everything else in my network is Gig/cat6.

I think I'm liking the idea of a PC/NAS....but curious to see what others think.
 
For my media center, I use a PC with 6 drives, 5 of which are in RAID 5 with and external raid housing of 5 more drives also in RAID 5 combined in a RAID 1 for redundancy. It feeds to 4 rooms with thin clients that are only connected to the media center. No issues with live tv viewing, or watching straight off the raids. Its all wired, using gigabit connections. I might be going a little overboard, but it allows me to maintain everything with little chance of loss. Hope this helps
 
I use the Linux amahi system.

I've used it for years. Currently I have 9 drives giving me access to 11TB of data (about to add another 3 drives). But you have to remember that several selected directories have their files copied across 2 drives for security, some have copies across 3 or more drives.

Also, as the drives are ext4, the drives are individually accessible if removed.

It all acts seamlessly.

Incidentally, you mentioned 1TB of data to backup ?

Forgive me giggling.
 
My datastore for home/office has run Linux for the last 13 years. I've rebuilt it twice now due only to major changes in hardware or software. Current supports up to 20 disks, utilizing 13 2TB disks in a RAID6.

I also have a 6 disk NAS running Open Media Vault (also Linux) that is my datastore for my ESX host.

No major problems out of either setup, and nothing I can't fix/change/add/remove/etc... so I'll never switch.
 
Crashplan seems to work very well and very reliably, even for large amounts of data, it just keeps plugging away until it's done. I really like the interface and email alerts. Same for Cobian for my local backup to USB.


^^^ This is similar to what I use CrashPlan for. Cloud backups, backup to the PC's, hard drives, offsite PC's, can be "seeded" to speed up the initial upload, great instructions, lots of other options. I've been doing this for several months, since I purchased their unlimited plan for a ridiculous low price a while back. Don't remember what is was, but it was cheap for a year.
I've got all my computers backed up using this and have had no problems.
 
So far this NAS/PC seems to be working pretty well....Plex is cool, I paid $5 for the iOS app & it's nice. Very cool to so easily see my photos from anywhere.

Seems to stream just fine to my WD TV Live.

Only thing that may become an issue is with Crashplan; I checked their site and you cannot split the backup archives across more than one drive. I guess I could stick a second drive in the PC & extend the volume in Windows disk management, right?
 
I've used it for years. Currently I have 9 drives giving me access to 11TB of data (about to add another 3 drives). But you have to remember that several selected directories have their files copied across 2 drives for security, some have copies across 3 or more drives.


Ah yours will be the house in leeds you can see glowing from space :D
 
I have been using Plex Media Server for about a year and am extremely pleased with it. I cannot speak of performance on windows, as I am using a dedicated headless Ubuntu server. I used the information at havetheknowhow.com as the foundation. I used spare parts lying around originally; 2ghz something-or-another with 1gb of ram. That setup was able to able to stream two 720p shows simultaneously. Not to mention the remote app that let's me watch any of shows from anywhere with 3-4g or WiFi on my android. Which is everywhere in LA area :D

I recently started using Crashplan Pro. Once again, pleased. I started a home version trial previously. I set it to backup x folders, compress, encrypt, and send to my WHS. Limited experience with it, but while I was using it, it had not failed me once. Very easy to setup and use. Email alerts. Plus, they have very reasonably priced unlimited cloud home version.

Best of luck to you!
 
Would an i7 be complete and total overkill for the NAS I'm going to build or would an i5 be totally adequate?
 
Would an i7 be complete and total overkill for the NAS I'm going to build or would an i5 be totally adequate?

If it is just a NAS, a DC Atom would technically be overkill.
If you are running any type of application on it other than SMB/AFP etc, maybe look at a 35W i3. More than enough power while still cool running and low energy draw.
 
I've tried Plex & it seems pretty cool...I really don't think I'll go with less than an i5, as I'm just an overkill kind of guy. :D

I just don't want to be limited in any way or have any sort of performance issues.
 
I've tried Plex & it seems pretty cool...I really don't think I'll go with less than an i5, as I'm just an overkill kind of guy. :D

I just don't want to be limited in any way or have any sort of performance issues.

Mine is currently powered by an Athlon 64x2 BE 5000 o.c. to a humble 3.0GHz, with 4gb of ram. It streams (via plex) to three roku hds (720), and uses smb for a htpc (xbmc), along with housing music library for iTunes, and family picture library. If PlayOn would run on Ubuntu, it would be on here too... I think your i5 will be just the kind of massive overkill you're looking for :D
 
The one stumbling block I see in this is the destination machine for my Crashplan offsite backup; you cannot split crashplan backups over more than one drive, which would limit me to less than 4TB, if I installed a 4TB drive in that remote PC I'm going to use to backup my NAS.

Then I discovered/remembered PCI SATA cards that can also do basic RAID; are any of those cards any good?

Thanks
 
The one stumbling block I see in this is the destination machine for my Crashplan offsite backup; you cannot split crashplan backups over more than one drive, which would limit me to less than 4TB, if I installed a 4TB drive in that remote PC I'm going to use to backup my NAS.

Then I discovered/remembered PCI SATA cards that can also do basic RAID; are any of those cards any good?

Thanks

I THINK you could create more than one backup Plan.

Such as: Backup Plan 1....(documents)........backup to drive (E).
Backup Plan 2....(music).....backup to drive (F).
Backup Plan 3....(Photos)....backup to drive (G).
and so forth....

Again, I THINK it may work this way, I've never tried it.

Maybe someone can verify if this would work.
 
Hi, what you describe would probably work for a local backup to USB drive, but that's not my concern; say I have 5TB of data on my new NAS, and I want to back it up to a remote PC via Crashplan; even if I install a 4TB drive into that computer, I will obviously have less than 5TB of space.

There is no way to tell crashplan to split *incoming* backups among different drives; you must choose one location for the backup archives.

That's why I'm considering some sort of RAID for this remote PC.

I want to try to get this stuff figured out before I spend a bunch on hardware.
 
Hi, what you describe would probably work for a local backup to USB drive, but that's not my concern; say I have 5TB of data on my new NAS, and I want to back it up to a remote PC via Crashplan; even if I install a 4TB drive into that computer, I will obviously have less than 5TB of space.

There is no way to tell crashplan to split *incoming* backups among different drives; you must choose one location for the backup archives.

That's why I'm considering some sort of RAID for this remote PC.

I want to try to get this stuff figured out before I spend a bunch on hardware.

Got you. I now see your concern. Let us know how you proceed and the results.

Thanks.
 
For my media center, I use a PC with 6 drives, 5 of which are in RAID 5 with and external raid housing of 5 more drives also in RAID 5 combined in a RAID 1 for redundancy. It feeds to 4 rooms with thin clients that are only connected to the media center. No issues with live tv viewing, or watching straight off the raids. Its all wired, using gigabit connections. I might be going a little overboard, but it allows me to maintain everything with little chance of loss. Hope this helps

Wow, this is exactly (ok very similar) what I have been working on implementing in my house (I have to redo the Ethernet, thanks for nothing ATT).
 
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