No IE in Windows 7 in Europe!!!

[ProTech Support]

IE can be installed through Windows Update
and alternative browser can be downloaded through the cmd

CMD + End User = Fail

 

[MM PC Solutions]

and alternative browser can be downloaded through the cmd

Tell that to the normal user..!

 

[Abet Computers]

Ok so there has been a battle going on for awhile now about Microsoft bundling software on the OS's and Europe does not want that,( all good and fair)

But now they want MS to take out IE of Windows 7 (which they did) and now they are crying about that it isn't enough they want everything called back once more and have them bundle all the other web browsers inside the OS.


And this process is such a huge waste of time because in windows 7 you can manually remove IE in the first place. and its just costing Europeans more money to purchase a version of the OS without IE built in or Windows Mediaplayer. Which can be removed very easily manually from the Windows Features panel.

Great Idea Euros!!, cost yer country millions in a legal battle you will prolly win, but in return you will get a product that cost more with less features and more bloated with junk web browsers ( all you need is firefox) which will sit next to a full retail version that costs less price and yer custom version will just sit on the shelves

 

[K007]

Good on him !!! Bill Gates.
- He's #1 who made many other employess millionares and not only employees
- He put bread and butter on millions of other tech's tables
- He brought billions of foreign currency into US
- And who knows how many other things are there to be told (good ones)

Those developers who are not making enough profit because of IE, should shove it up theirs. If it wasn't for Windows, how much would they have developed anyway?
A world of hypocrites out there.

 

[Jura]

I will always fail to understand how government can tell a company that a product they sell can't come with other products or services that they offer.

The UK has been passing a lot of really odd and wacky laws in the last year or two.

 

[MM PC Solutions]

The UK has been passing a lot of really odd and wacky laws in the last year or two.

I'm sure you mean "European commission".

 

[0gr3]

IE can be installed through Windows Update
and alternative browser can be downloaded through the cmd

It can be very true but the majority of my clients - In Canada, don't know how we fair against the rest of the world - Have a difficult time using Windows Update or even remembering to run it once a year so for sure cmd is way out of the question lol.

 

[gunslinger]

So are they going to force Apple to ship snow leopard without Safari? These stupid lawsuits are getting ridiculous. I used to think the US was too litigious, but the EU is getting down right stupid. What's next? Ship without a defragmenter because other companies aren't making as much money?

Could not have said it much better.

Let Microsoft ship Windows with what ever they want. If people don't like the programs that come with it, make it easy to remove them and provide a list of alternatives. Microsoft already does this with AV. How about one big button thats says REMOVE IE and when you do a list of other browsers comes up to chose from.

Not rocket science and no need for stupid lawsuits.

 

[tasaholic]

It all gets worse...today it has been announced that the European courts are now looking at demanding that Microsoft install an opposition Browser in any system sold in Europe!! Have the feckwits totally lost their marbles?? Next thing they'll demand any non-European-made car has to be fitted with European engines,or seats or something! This whole situation has turned from being about a monopoly to something else-what that is I'm buggered if I know,except that it has passed the boundaries between the sensible and the ludicrous. I would not blame MS if they decided to just not offer their products for sale in Europe..after all,they can use Linux,Mac whatever!I guess then they'd want to start shredding those too. I think it's all about greed and money..in varying degrees..between all groups involved.

 

[seedubya]

Not rocket science and no need for stupid lawsuits.

Except that MS won't do this, despite having been ordered to do so on previous occasions. So there is a need for lawsuits.

@tasholic

FFS least get your facts straight before you go mouthing off. This is not about the EC forcing MS to put a "European" browser on Windows 7. For starters Norway, the home of Opera is not in the EU. Secondly, both Google and Mozilla were party to the complaint, after the fact - both US companies. Thirdly, the original complaint was about MS threatening OEMs to prevent them from installing alternative browsers at the factory or even providing links i.e. abusing their market position.

And here you all are defending Microsoft, one of the most monopoly-abusive companies that ever existed. A company that has time and time again showed it's utter disdain for users, competitors and the laws any country in which it operates.

Finally, Australians in glasshouses shouldn't throw firewalls, sorry I mean stones.

 

[gunslinger]

Except that MS won't do this, despite having been ordered to do so on previous occasions. So there is a need for lawsuits

Not taking up for Microsoft but its going to suck when they get ****** and pull their products out of Europe. They have full right to do so.

Again I'm not defending Microsoft but they do have the right to package Windows with what ever they like. If someone does not like it, they can chose Linux or Mac. No one is forcing anyone to use Windows.

 

[seedubya]

Not taking up for Microsoft but its going to suck when they get ****** and pull their products out of Europe. They have full right to do so.

Get real, will never happen, market's too big.

Again I'm not defending Microsoft but they do have the right to package Windows with what ever they like.

MS and every other company have NO rights unless those rights are given in law and that's exactly as it should be. Are you saying they should be just allowed to do whatever they please without oversight? Corporations are not people that you should talk about rights. You think that they should be allowed to thumb their nose at sovereign states or a collection of such states? I'm all in favour of a free market Gunslinger, just so long as that market serves the needs of ALL it's stakeholders i.e. consumers, employees, "the common good" as well as shareholders. The subjugation of all other needs to the needs of shareholders only is short-sighted and counterproductive.

As for consumer choice. People have to be aware that there IS a choice before they can make one. That's why MS has been judged to be a monopoly. They are so big that many consumers don't know that there IS a choice, they've never heard of Linux and Apple only make iPods.

 

[ProTech Support]

As for consumer choice. People have to be aware that there IS a choice before they can make one. That's why MS has been judged to be a monopoly. They are so big that many consumers don't know that there IS a choice, they've never heard of Linux and Apple only make iPods.

Couldn't have said it better, that is the entire point.

/DISCUSSION

 

[gunslinger]

Its the job of other companies to make people aware they are out there and there is a choice. Its not the governments place to step in and do this.


Microsoft is as big as it is because people made it that way. People also have the power to make it shrink. If you dislike Microsoft so much stop buying their products and praising them to others and start telling people about Macs and Linux.

To start filing lawsuits against them for including a web browser is insane.



As a side note I think its funny that you will find some of the same people that think Microsoft is too big turn around and bash Macs.

 

[thecoldone06]

To start filing lawsuits against them for including a web browser is insane.

It is insane. They are not preventing the installation of any third party browsers, they are simply providing a way to access the internet out of the box. I think the world has gone sue happy.

 

[angry_geek]

I don't understand the concept of big company = bad company. Sure in some instances the big corps do get out of hand, but to bash a company just because they're big is just silly. People turn their noses up at Budweiser just because they're the most popular beer on the planet. Does popularity make your product bad? No, it just means you produced a product that people enjoy. What cracks me up is when I hear people bashing the isps because their internet went out. They never bash the small local isps that go out every time it rains, because they're a small company. Let's not forget where Windows got its true start. If Xerox had the foresight of Bill Gates, would we be bashing them instead? If Steve Jobs had done something with the GUI he saw at Xerox, would he be the target? (I know, don't start) These law suits against MS started 15 years ago with netscape and aol. "It's too difficult to put another browser on a machine." I'm sick of the whining and crying by the money hungry lawyers and the idiot legislators that want to kill any big buisness in all involved governments. It's all BS!! I used netscape as my default browser I think right up till Win 2000. It was never difficult to use another browser. In the '90s, netscape or aol is about all I ever saw on client computers. Let's face it; the only reason the EU or any of these other governments or law firms went after MS is because they're big and they saw dollar signs (or euro signs or whatever).

 

[Blues]

Besides not like they care about IE7 anymore its all about IE8 now

But seriously I want a browser out of the box and don't care which it is. I think IE being there is no issue but I think IE should be uninstallable and vendors should be allowed to pre-load other browsers maybe even pre-uninstall IE if they wish.

 

[thecoldone06]

Besides not like they care about IE7 anymore its all about IE8 now

But seriously I want a browser out of the box and don't care which it is. I think IE being there is no issue but I think IE should be uninstallable and vendors should be allowed to pre-load other browsers maybe even pre-uninstall IE if they wish.

I agree that IE should be uninstallable. IE is so intertwined into Windows that, although it would be great, I highly doubt it would ever be a viable option.

 

[Rider]

Someone already brought up the car analogy so I'll stick to it. It's like sueing Ford for installing factory stereo's in thier cars. Afterall, that's a missed opportunity for Pioneer or Kenwood.

To me I only see it as a problem if you couldn't install a Pioneer or Kenwood stereo.

I also have a hard time understanding how a company makes money from a browser. Aren't they free for download? I don't see them generating pop ups. Where does the money come from? I know I'm missing something, there has to be money in it somewhere or there wouldn't be a fuss. OK, when you get a browser the home page is usually set to their page but that's usually the first thing a user changes. Educate me.

 

[seedubya]

@angry geek - do you REALLY think the EU went after MS for money? Seriously!?