Who Accepts Bitcoin In There Day 2 Day Operations?

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Hello, I have been waiting for Square POS to start accepting Bitcoin but they are taking to long I was wondering who here in on technibble accepts Bitcoin I have had a Blockchain account since about 2014 and only used it for business clients who got the ransomware deals where it only accepted bitcoin ...... anyway I would like to start accepting it in the shop.

Is it a good idea to do so?

The only reason I am nervous about using it is because its not physical currency and since I live in the US my services are taxed and I dont know how to go about doing the exchange rate or things of that nature......

Any and all insight would be greatly appreciated.
 
I accept Bitcoin but do not advertise the fact. The one problem with Bitcoin is the usual 20-45 minute wait for confirmation.. until that confirmation occurs you won't know if the transaction is legit. So keep that in mind before you hand over the equipment to your customer. Some other Crypto's are much faster.

You will really want to talk to an accountant that knows what to do about Bitcoin in your state, as a business. That being said... one more thing: I am not a financial adviser and you should take my suggestions as hearsay only.

My State, Virginia, does not tax services, they only tax sales.

The IRS via the Virtual Currency Law DOES NOT consider Virtual currencies to be legal tender in any jurisdiction - that means no taxes on Bitcoin transactions themselves. Instead, the taxing for US individuals comes when you convert you VC's into USD - Coinbase, for example, will tax you per the IRS and report to the IRS when you convert and deposit USD into your bank.

Personally, here's what I do for a customer ticket paid with bitcoin - I still pay the sales tax to the state per the dollar amount on the ticket as if it were a USD transaction. Bitcoin gets deposited to my wallet and I make a separate ledger to keep track of BTC through the year/quarter/whatever. I DEDUCT the BTC as income in my books - that is to say, I do not report my BTC to the IRS at tax time. Remember, you will be charged the correct income taxes when you convert to USD.

Not a fan of Bitcoin, and certainly wouldn't accept it in our shop as currency.
Can I ask why?

I have been extremely happy with Crypto, Bitcoin included. With the recent rise in Bitcoin I have made $25,000 in the past ~8-12 months.
It might be worth looking into.
 
Is it a good idea to do so?
I think it's a very good idea and a great competitive edge right now.

Have you considered BitPay?

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I'd think about WHO is going to pay in Bitcoin. You'll probably find that those tech savvy enough to invest in Crypto are the people who can fix their own computer problems.
That was true not so long ago but things are changing fast.

I know a lot of non-tech-savvy users of Bitcoin and, in some countries (especially in South America and increasingly in Japan) it's beginning to replace fiat currencies. Some of the new apps available now make using Bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies) child's play.

I think if it improves the chances of making some sales, especially if it costs little to implement, why not be one of the first to start accepting it?




 
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Watching ABC news this morning where they said that there will be new laws regarding digital currencies shortly.
It's an attempt to stop illegal activities on the "dark web" and also stop money laundering.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...loser-to-being-regulated-in-australia/9058582

Well, that is an irrational move on the part of Australia. Every example of 'bitcoin crime' they cite would not be stopped by their laws, it would only make it so that "customers" have no recourse and businesses will be discouraged from using crypto for legitimate purposes. This is likely what they want. This is push-back on non-centralized, non-bank-owned and profiteering of the banks.

You can tell this by reading the ACIC August report where "Bitcoin" is only even mentioned 3 times in the 43 page report:

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The two key enabling technologies currently used to facilitate serious and organised crime are virtual currencies and encryption. Virtual currencies, such as bitcoin, are increasingly being used by serious and organised crime groups as they are a form of currency that can be sold anonymously online
So, ban encryption then!!! Because if you don't then virtual currencies such as Bitcoin are going to be traded through a VPN and the Aussie police will have egg on their face anyways.
So, I'm assuming that money laundering and organized crime was in existence prior to Bitcoin - how did banning their previous currency of choice work out? Oh, they didn't do that and organized crime persisted anyways, oh well.... pissing in the wind then.

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Cybercriminals have used ransomware to demand payments from A$500 to A$3,000 (in bitcoin), with some businesses subjected to targeted attacks requesting tens of thousands of dollars. In 2016, the ransomware Cryptolocker was discovered on the computer system of an Australian government agency after an employee clicked on an Australia Post-themed email. Cryptolocker re-imaged the staff member’s workstation, resulting in thousands of files stored on an associated government server being encrypted by the ransomware.

First, these morons don't know what a re-image is vs. encryption... oh great (See first quote).
Second, effectively barring the use of Bitcoin isn't going to help get that Gov't Agency back its' files. Nor will it stop the ransomware.

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Serious organised crime involvement in environmental crime in Australia is currently unknown, with individuals and smaller networks more commonly reported. Technological developments including encrypted communications, online marketplaces and use of bitcoin currency continue to enable crime in this sector.

So, of the UNKNOWN serious environmental organized crime, somehow they know bitcoin is a problem. Sounds like a baseless assertion to me.


If they want to ban it or monitor Bitcoin, fine, good luck (have fun failing). But at least come with actual problems and solutions, not some BS law that organized crime isn't going to follow. (Duh!)

I mean c'mon:
(From the article in OP)
If the new laws are passed, the financial intelligence regulator AUSTRAC will be given new powers to police digital currency exchanges — where traders buy and sell Bitcoin, Ethereum and other cryptocurrencies.

These exchanges like Independent Reserve and BTC Markets would need to be registered under the new regime.

Or users can log in using a VPN - which is what people in the US do for overseas exchanges. Overseas Exchanges will likely simply deny Autralia access, like Bitfinex is doing for the US because of regulation: https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/227
Trust me, doesn't matter. VPN and done. ID for accounts isn't checked or verified unless you provide legal tender for funding. Trading and holding bitcoin requires no ID.

It will also become an offence for an "unregistered person" to provide digital currency exchange services.
I'm sure the criminals are shaking in their boots and awaiting to sign up to be tracked, you know, cause all of this anonymous stuff is too much to handle.:rolleyes:

"Businesses that trade digital currencies for money, and vice versa, will be required to enrol and register with AUSTRAC," Justice Minister Michael Keenan said in a Parliamentary speech about the bill in August.

Mr Keenan said these businesses would need to "establish, implement and maintain an AML/CTF (anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism financing) program".
Ya, that's effectively going to kill legitimate use of Bitcoin. Again, none of this stops illegitimate usage.

There is a "legacy stigma" with digital currencies, and that people unfortunately associate Bitcoin with crime, the Independent Reserve's director Lasanka Perera said.

"These new laws would be good for the industry, it will give more confidence to investors, consumers and businesses to enter the industry," he said.
No thanks, Bitcoin doesn't need your help with confidence, Australia. I'm pretty sure the explosive price and market cap of Crypto proves that.


The thing all of these countries are failing to see is that they WILL NOT be the controllers of this. It scares them, it's power to the many and away from the few. The police are going to have to start doing actual work to find criminals instead of simply waiting for the computer to ding at them that something is wrong... you know, like how they did when everyone had only dollars. ;)
 
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That was true not so long ago but things are changing fast.

I know a lot of non-tech-savvy users of Bitcoin and, in some countries (especially in South America and increasingly in Japan) it's beginning to replace fiat currencies. Some of the new apps available now make using Bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies) child's play.

I think if it improves the chances of making some sales, especially if it costs little to implement, why not be one of the first to start accepting it?
Additionally, there are even fewer who actually PAY for stuff via Bitcoin. Sure, there are more people getting into it because of the recent surge and coverage of mainstream media. But they keep it for speculation, rather than a day to day real-world currency.
Nobody wants to be like the pizza guy who spent 10,000 bitcoins on 2 pizzas back in the day (worth $59,949,900 USD today)
 
Well, that is an irrational move on the part of Australia. Every example of 'bitcoin crime' they cite would not be stopped by their laws, it would only make it so that "customers" have no recourse and businesses will be discouraged from using crypto for legitimate purposes. This is likely what they want. This is push-back on non-centralized, non-bank-owned and profiteering of the banks...........
Yeah, I agree. I did have a little chuckle while listening to the report.
Most "pollies" wouldn't know a bitcoin from a hole in the wall, so deciding policies and laws to prevent it being used in crime is doomed to failure.
I think it's a reaction to the growing trend of criminal activity with digital currency and they (the Government) have to look as if they are doing something to curb it.
Attempts to regulate it will just drive the criminal element underground and of course legitimate users will suffer as a consequence.
 
Sure, there are more people getting into it because of the recent surge and coverage of mainstream media. But they keep it for speculation, rather than a day to day real-world currency.

You surprise me Bryce. I thought you would've been one of the last people to denounce something that could help bring in more business, even if it's only one or two extra sales per month, especially when it provides a competitive edge that costs little (or nothing) to implement and results in no additional overheads.

In the unlikely event that there are no sales purchases made using Bitcoin over the next 12 months, the business could have gained free exposure and advertising (by gaining local media attention and/or getting listed as a company that accepts Bitcoin payments). It would also make branching into online sales very simple, without the PayPal fees or the complications of accepting card payments directly. But perhaps more importantly, it will put the business ahead of the game, prepared for the inevitable rush to adopt that we're now seeing with retailers in Japan. Even if you live in a country that has been slow to adopt so far, bear in mind that there may be foreign tourists passing your business who prefer to use Bitcoin.

Also, not everyone holds on to every bit of Bitcoin they buy or earn, despite the huge investment potential. It's both buying AND selling that keeps the BTC price moving, both up and down. And while much of the selling is done through exchanges, often for profit-taking, in exchange for other currencies, people can (and do) exchange their BTC earnings/profits for goods and services. I have made numerous purchases myself in BTC, from the growing number of retail outlets that accept BTC payments.
 
Additionally, there are even fewer who actually PAY for stuff via Bitcoin. Sure, there are more people getting into it because of the recent surge and coverage of mainstream media. But they keep it for speculation, rather than a day to day real-world currency.
Nobody wants to be like the pizza guy who spent 10,000 bitcoins on 2 pizzas back in the day (worth $59,949,900 USD today)
This. There isn't a person in my town that would pay me with bitcoin. I have NEVER had anyone inquire to me about using it. I have had a couple of people inquire about it just to try and understand what it is. They'd never use it.

I know Moltuae is all hot on it but he is the guy Bryce refers to above as the tech savy guy that can fix his own computers. Digital Currency will NEVER be anything more than a wild speculative item as it cannot function as money under the scientific economic definition of money. SImply put there is no reason my clients are going to expend the effort to convert perfectly usable dollars into a second form of currency when I will accept those same dollars. Someone might have to sell some of his bitcoin to raise funds to pay me but they might have to sell Microsoft stock to pay me as well. I'm not going to facilitate that either.
 
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There isn't a person in my town that would pay me with bitcoin. I have NEVER had anyone inquire to me about using it.
People are unlikely to ask if they can pay with Bitcoin unless you've got a sign on your door/window. Maybe in a year or two when most places are accepting it, but not right now. I don't bother going inside a store to ask unless I see a sign outside. I won't email an online store to ask them if they accept Bitcoin either. If there's no sign, I'll assume they don't accept Bitcoin yet.

15 or so years ago, I wouldn't have bothered going inside a cafe to ask whether they had free WiFi. Back then I would just assumed most didn't have it. However, if there were two or more cafes in the town and suddenly one had a sign in the window advertising free WiFi, that's the cafe I would've used (assuming I needed an internet connection of course).

And again, why would you not do something that is without risk, costs next-to-nothing to implement and may bring a few more customers? Having a Bitcoin sign on a computer store could also get you some mining rig build work or requests for assistance setting up mobile wallets, and these are not typically the penny-pinching type of customer.

Let's suppose for a moment you're right; the cryptocurrency revolution never happens and the 160+ billion dollars worth of wealth presently circulating in cryptocurrencies returns to fiat currencies. For whatever reason, Japan, Venezuela, China and all the businesses heavily invested in cryptocurrencies suddenly give up and go back to the way they were. In this worst case scenario, your venture into the world of cryptocurrencies will have cost you virtually nothing, but you may have made a few sales and possibly one or two new customers, for almost zero outlay.

Now let's suppose you're wrong and this is no fad but a symptom of a failing global economy. In this scenario we see a revolutionary shift of wealth, pouring out of government controlled currency into a decentralised globally accessible and borderless 'people's currency' (like we're already seeing in places like Venezuela). Don't you think it would be wise to be prepared (just in case)?
 
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You surprise me Bryce. I thought you would've been one of the last people to denounce something that could help bring in more business, even if it's only one or two extra sales per month, especially when it provides a competitive edge that costs little (or nothing) to implement and results in no additional overheads.
Opportunity is a dirty word. We live in a world of opportunity with so many potential paths we could go down, and its easy to lose focus.

In another thread, the OP asked for reviews on his website and the site needed A LOT of work. A little bit later he made this thread about accepting Bitcoin.

The most important marketing task he could be doing right now is getting that website right, that makes way more of a difference to his business than hoping for scraps of Bitcoin one day.

@Abet Computers focus and success is more important to me, and Bitcoin wont get him there.
 
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@Abet Computers focus and success is more important to me, and Bitcoin wont get him there.
Agreed, it's important to prioritise. But it's also important to remember that every little helps in business.

We're not talking about a huge amount of work here either. As you can see from the video I posted, it's trivial to setup Bitcoin payments. You could do it in a single lunch break.

Had you replied to say "focus on the more important things first" (referring specifically to the OP's other threads) I would have agreed completely. However, in THIS thread, the OP specifically asks about accepting Bitcoin, something that many other users of this forum may also be considering. Without reference to the OP's other threads, for the purpose of the forum, this is an entirely separate question.

I think it's important to pass on information, not opinions, especially on a forum such as this where people are seeking business advice. Accepting Bitcoin payments opens up many positive business opportunities (a few of which I mentioned in my posts above), to dismiss those without good reason is giving bad advice.

Remember also that, whatever you think of Bitcoin personally, other non-tech businesses are starting to consider whether they should accept Bitcoin payments. Accepting Bitcoin payments as a computer store, along with the usual prominent signage, could lead to enquiries from other local stores to assist them in setting up payments, which in turn could lead to further on-going work, either directly for those businesses or indirectly through their Bitcoin signage.
 
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This. There isn't a person in my town that would pay me with bitcoin. I have NEVER had anyone inquire to me about using it. I have had a couple of people inquire about it just to try and understand what it is. They'd never use it.

I know Moltuae is all hot on it but he is the guy Bryce refers to above as the tech savy guy that can fix his own computers. Digital Currency will NEVER be anything more than a wild speculative item as it cannot function as money under the scientific economic definition of money. SImply put there is no reason my clients are going to expend the effort to convert perfectly usable dollars into a second form of currency when I will accept those same dollars. Someone might have to sell some of his bitcoin to raise funds to pay me but they might have to sell Microsoft stock to pay me as well. I'm not going to facilitate that either.

I have had many people show up looking to build cryptocurrency mining rigs there is big money in some areas due to the fact you may be the only store in your area doing this.
I have a BTM in my store it brings people in while they are waiting for confirmation they look around my store I am the only BTM within 150km on average i get 6 people a day.
Past few days i have had people show up to use BTM and ask do you sell Android tv boxes which I do, well my box is locking up can you factory reset it? sure I charge $35 for that so far I have done 6 boxes, also have sales of coffee, pop, chips or chocolate bars while they wait for confirmation.
 
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Way too volatile, too. It's kind of risky accepting bitcoin, combined with how few people actually use it to buy things from brick and mortar stores, it's probably not worth the headache.

For an online store I would take bitcoin, brick and mortar, not so much.
 
Way too volatile, too. It's kind of risky accepting bitcoin
There is nothing stopping you from changing your Bitcoin to USD immediately - what's risky about that?

In the meantime, If someone would have taken $1000 in bitcoin payments at the beginning of the year, they would have over $5000 now.
There are mechanisms via exchanges that you can have alerts or your holdings changed to USD in case the price drops (Stop, Trailing Stop). So, even with volatility, you can hop out of the market if you so wish, at your pre-set price.

Visa will now get you a BitPay/Shift/etc card that ties to your BTC wallet and you can literally spend Bitcoin as cash - anywhere.

In closing, people, just get educated about this. Put $50 in Bitcoin and see how easy and secure it can be. You're about to get left behind. Not only in Bitcoin, but blockchain tech too.

Coinbase just recently started making immediate purchases from US bank accounts, no waiting. They just passed the 10Million user mark and added 1.4 Million users since September!

People are using it whether or not people choose to see it or not.
 
In closing, people, just get educated about this. Put $50 in Bitcoin and see how easy and secure it can be. You're about to get left behind. Not only in Bitcoin, but blockchain tech too.
Abso-friggin-lutely!

It seems almost every week I see techs make posts on here about how work is slow or that they're struggling to find customers. I'm inundated with Bitcoin related work, without even trying (I already had more regular IT work than I could handle). I can't believe so many techs are missing such a great opportunity to get in on this technology early.

I would urge anyone who thinks that Bitcoin is a fad, a currency for crooks, a Ponzi scheme (or whatever media misinformation you've been fed) to do your own research. This is a fascinating and serious technology. It is unstoppable and growing exponentially. Ignore it at your peril!




And yes @ethiele, as @phaZed correctly states, if the volatility bothers you (even though it is largely upwards), the payment can be immediately converted into your local currency. If you watch the BitPay demonstration video I posted, you'll see just how easy that is.
 
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