Any refurbed business-class laptops that are Win11 compatible striking anyone's fancy?

Porthos said:
Feature updates are technically a new version of Win 11.
You are doing the clients a disservice by installing Win 11 on unsupported machines. It is a time bomb waiting to happen.
If the user does not know what they purchased and never calls you, you have locked them into a computer that when that version of 11 (for example 22h2) goes unsupported they will not even get security updates without being able to update to 23h2 without your assistance.
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I'll have to cross that bridge, when I get to it. Right now, they're on 22H2 and I've had no problems getting updates. When is 23H2 expected to come out? Since I have one in the shop, I can check back with my customer if it fails to update here.
 
Porthos said:
You are doing the clients a disservice by installing Win 11 on unsupported machines. It is a time bomb waiting to happen.
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That really depends on the client, don't you think? - as well as what you tell them about the situation. I have not (and will not) sell such machines, but I did pass along a laptop from the AMD A6 era to someone that I had experimentally upgraded to Windows 11, and it's continuing to work just fine so far. She knows she needs to get a new machine reasonably soon, anyway, but I could see no point in doing a nuke and pave back to Windows 10 under the circumstances.
 
britechguy said:
I really don't know whether the feature update will occur on its own if you already have Windows 11 running on a given piece of unsupported hardware or not.
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21h2 would not update to 22h2 without the workarounds. I am pretty sure that will continue or get worse.
 
I am not going to tell a client that I have to hack or re-hack a system yearly to continue getting updates. Bad for business.
Seems some do not understand Win 11.
 
Porthos said:
Was the upgrade done with Windows update? Or did you use a Rufus-made ISO to do it?
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I bought the SSD stick with Windows 11 on it, fully licensed and activated. I haven't had any issues with either of them. This particular customer would let me know, if she had any problems. The only thing she says she doesn't like is the backlit keyboard so I turned the backlight off for her. Other than that, nothing.
 
Porthos said:
21h2 would not update to 22h2 without the workarounds. I am pretty sure that will continue or get worse.
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I didn't ever deal with 21H2, starting down this experimental road with 22H2. I intentionally avoided Windows 11 entirely for the first 6 months post release, as I knew that the traditional shake down and shake out period was needed before touching it. I'm not a fan of being a bleeding edge adopter of any Windows OS. I didn't do Win7/8/8.1 in place upgrades to 10 until 2016 because of that same issue.

Since these are my machines (other than the one I noted, and it will be retired) I'm not terribly worried. But I would not want to be on a yearly tether to clients were I to have sold them refurbished "non-compatible" machines on which I did a workaround to install Windows 11 if there is no chance of automatic feature updates. It just gets uglier and uglier the more of these you have to deal with, and I could not in good conscience leave people on what will, ultimately, become an unsupported Windows 11 version.
 
britechguy said:
I would not want to be on a yearly tether to clients were I to have sold them refurbished "non-compatible" machines on which I did a workaround to install Windows 11 if there is no chance of automatic feature updates. It just gets uglier and uglier the more of these you have to deal with, and I could not in good conscience leave people on what will, ultimately, become an unsupported Windows 11 version.
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Exactly my point.
 
Porthos said:
I am not going to tell a client that I have to hack or re-hack a system yearly to continue getting updates. Bad for business.
Seems some do not understand Win 11.
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Seems that some believe that their choices are the only correct ones. Even though I have made the same choice you have, others are free to assess what's "bad for business" in light of their own situations, as well as what clients can and cannot understand/tolerate.

I actually suspect that come 2025 there will spring up a cottage industry of "workaround in-place Windows 11 upgrades" for many home users who bought hardware just at the "end of the era" that won't officially support Win11, but that's nowhere near to dead in their eyes. Not everyone will be a part of that cottage industry, but you can bet it will appear.
 
ThatPlace928 said:
Define business class, if you don't mind. What's the difference between business and consumer? Is it the software or the hardware that makes the distinction?
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Hardware. A business class machine from the major OEMs tend to have better built components, longer warranties, and often options for Next Business Day repairs or even 4 hr response times. Most business class machines are not sold in stores. PCs and laptops that can be found in Walmart are usually the worst offenders. Cheap junk.
 
britechguy said:
I actually suspect that come 2025 there will spring up a cottage industry of "workaround in-place Windows 11 upgrades" for many home users who bought hardware just at the "end of the era" that won't officially support Win11
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There are already registry modifications widely published.
 
ThatPlace928 said:
I bought the SSD stick with Windows 11 on it, fully licensed and activated. I haven't had any issues with either of them. This particular customer would let me know, if she had any problems. The only thing she says she doesn't like is the backlit keyboard so I turned the backlight off for her. Other than that, nothing.
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Then you upgraded a supported system.
 
Porthos said:
There are already registry modifications widely published.
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Yes, there are, and it's mostly folks such as ourselves (and amateurs of the same bent as ourselves) that are using these, among other things.

What I mean is that there will be a broader general demand from the residential and micro-business Windows 10 user base that someone's going to fill.
 
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