Cryptocurrencies

What cryptocurrencies do you use/own?

  • Bitcoin (XBT)

    Votes: 30 27.8%
  • Ether (ETH)

    Votes: 16 14.8%
  • Litecoin (LTC)

    Votes: 15 13.9%
  • Peercoin (PPC)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dash (DASH)

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • Dogecoin (XDG)

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Blackcoin (BLK)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Zcash (ZEC)

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 14 13.0%
  • None

    Votes: 69 63.9%

  • Total voters
    108
Lol mining using storage..
I love that there are different alternatives to mining (aka Proof of Work) being developed. Proof of Space/Capacity is an interesting one and potentially a great idea, particularly if used in conjunction with a cryptocurrency/system that can utilize all that storage space, such as Sia. Proof of Stake is of course another popular alternative to PoW, which works a bit like earning interest, and I believe there's Proof of Bandwidth and Proof of Ownership mechanisms being developed too. I think ultimately any cryptocurrency that survives the next 10 years or so will more than likely utilize a mix of different forms of 'proof'.


On the subject of when we can expect the next price surge and where the 'bottom' is, here's a couple of articles I found interesting:


Bitcoin: Is A Return To $20,000 On The Horizon?
Link: https://www.investing.com/analysis/looking-ahead-to-20000-bitcoin-200301570
Morgan Stanley) has some good news for Bitcoin bulls, however: The 70 percent decline is “nothing out of the ordinary,” and what’s more, such corrections “have historically preceded rallies.” Just as the NASDAQ gained back much of what it lost in the subsequent years—before the financial crisis pared losses even further—Bitcoin could similarly be ready to stage a strong recovery.

‘All Hell Will Break Loose’: Abra CEO Predicts Bitcoin Price Boom Will Return This Year
Link: https://www.ccn.com/all-hell-will-break-loose-abra-ceo-predicts-bitcoin-boom-will-return-this-year/
“I talk to hedge funds, high net worth individuals, even commodity speculators. They look at the volatility in the crypto markets and they see it as a huge opportunity. Once that happens, all hell will break loose,” he said. “Once the floodgates are opened, they’re opened.”

He said that institutional interest is already starting to tick up in Japan, which he said is a leading indicator of what will soon happen in the West — regardless of retail interest, which has seen a sharp decline in recent months.

“There really is zero large-scale institutional money from the west in crypto right now,” Barhydt said. “That is happening in Japan. Once a large sizable chunk of Western institutional money starts to come in — watch out.”
 
I think this is a "correction" and crypto will only continue to grow. The dollar has had a bad reputation for quite some time, and people are always enamored with the new and flashy things. While crypto isn't "new".... it certainly wasn't the house hold term it is right now. People will forget about it while it's down, but the mass hysteria will resume as soon as it peaks upward. It's just what the whales want, allow them to buy at the bottom and sell at the top to those buying in riding the wave of media frenzy.

Crypto is going to be a part of my investment portfolio, and this seems like as good a time as any to get started. I don't "think" that BTC will go much if any lower during this cycle but I could be wrong about that. I'm also not really interested in BTC itself as my primary crypto investment, as I think the potential for % increase in value is "limited" when compared to some other coins with interested use cases behind them.
 
I am wondering out loud how long the worlds governments are going to allow these uncontrolled crypto currencies to exist?

Everything I see shows us being herded away from dead presidents and forced into becoming a cashless society with an electronic "paper" trail.

I took out 15K and was politely asked for what purpose. I politely said none of your business. Apparently I was wrong. It is their business and they have a government approved form to prove it.
 
Everything I see shows us being herded away from dead presidents and forced into becoming a cashless society with an electronic "paper" trail.
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Yes , but it's still based on the dollar and not something stupid like FartCoin.
 
I am wondering out loud how long the worlds governments are going to allow these uncontrolled crypto currencies to exist?

Everything I see shows us being herded away from dead presidents and forced into becoming a cashless society with an electronic "paper" trail.
Here's were it gets interesting because (short of killing the internet the entire world over) there's nothing the government can do to stop cryptocurrencies. Sure they can impose restrictions on centralised exchanges and they can control the flow of fiat money used to buy and sell cryptocurrencies but, ultimately, such restrictions will only hurt fiat currencies. If your government makes it difficult to convert your cryptocurrencies into fiat, why bother converting?

To paraphrase Andreas: "Ask not what laws and governments will do to cryptocurrencies but what cryptocurrencies will do to law and governance".
 
Here's were it gets interesting because (short of killing the internet the entire world over) there's nothing the government can do to stop cryptocurrencies. Sure they can impose restrictions on centralised exchanges and they can control the flow of fiat money used to buy and sell cryptocurrencies but, ultimately, such restrictions will only hurt fiat currencies.

Not really. The government may equate having a bitcoin client installed to a possession of an unathorized substance or an unathorized firearm, and eventually bitcoin will be reduced to the same level as those. Pretty likewise, government can do nothing to stop drugs, but they can reduce the proliferation of those.
 
Not really. The government may equate having a bitcoin client installed to a possession of an unathorized substance or an unathorized firearm, and eventually bitcoin will be reduced to the same level as those. Pretty likewise, government can do nothing to stop drugs, but they can reduce the proliferation of those.
Laws and regulations are one thing, enforcing them are an entirely different problem. There's a big difference between enforcing and controlling something physical like firearms and enforcing laws that control the virtual world. In some countries governments have already tried, and failed, to prohibit various cryptocurrency activities.
 
There's a big difference between enforcing and controlling something physical like firearms and enforcing laws that control the virtual world. I

My country has a big history of that. You massively underestimate the power of enforcement in a country where one man in ten is a stoolie. I'm not sure if your govenrment can or cannot do that, but I know mine can. They just can't be bothered at the moment.
 
My country has a big history of that. You massively underestimate the power of enforcement in a country where one man in ten is a stoolie. I'm not sure if your govenrment can or cannot do that, but I know mine can. They just can't be bothered at the moment.
In the UK we tend to be less obedient towards our government (and authority in general) but then we're fortunate enough not to be living under a dictatorship (yet!) It's important to remember that a government should serve its people, not the other way around. And a government is only as powerful as its people allow it to be. If enough people reject a government's authority, the government becomes subservient to the people. Likewise, if enough people allow a government to make all the rules, without question or consultation, power and corruption inevitably leads to a model of dictatorship ... and has done so time and time again throughout history.

In relatively recent history, governments took control of money (it wasn't always that way), which brought them immense power because it gave them the ability to control people and invade their financial privacy. In fact that control is so great that they have the power to take away (or greatly devalue) all of the money you thought you owned. Money stored in fiat currency is never owned by you -- the banks you entrust your money to are a custodial service who, at will (or the request of the government), could delete your wealth in an instant. Cryptocurrencies not only offer people financial independence and privacy, they ultimately have the power to allow people to opt-out of a system where corruption rules. A government that has no control of the money cannot squander it, casually declare war on other nations or otherwise force its people into a situation they did not choose to be in.

People who have realised this (and that the world's politics is going to get a lot worse before it gets better) have invested in cryptocurrencies because it gives them a storage of wealth that no government can take away from them (hell, the governments can't keep centralised file-sharing websites down, what chance have they got with encrypted anonymous decentralised networks?). All of those people are not likely to give up the fight easily, especially if they live in a nation that has a blatantly corrupt government (ie most of them).

The bigger picture is that the decentralisation movement is growing exponentially and is unstoppable. If you take away the ability for those people to exchange their cryptocurrencies for fiat, they'll eventually stop using fiat. Close down a centralised exchange ... and they'll start using a decentralised exchange. Track their cryptocurrency movements ... and they'll start using cryptocurrencies that offer greater privacy and anonymity. If there's one thing recent history has taught us it's that internet-based technologies quickly make conventional business models obsolete, no matter how hard they resist or fight. The internet has consumed retail stores, multi-media, publishing, telecommunications, you name it ... and now it's taking on the banks and government. Nobody can be sure how quickly that will happen but you can be sure of one thing; there will only be one winner here, and it won't be the governments.

The even bigger picture, in my mind, is that we're one planet, one species and that it's time to start behaving that way and working together if we are to survive and continue to advance. In the age of the digital global village, segregated nations, ruled by corrupt or self-appointed leaders is little removed from tribalism. I see the breaking down of borders that the internet and cryptocurrencies bring as the beginning of something spectacular.
 
Close down a centralised exchange ... and they'll start using a decentralised exchange. Track their cryptocurrency movements ... and they'll start using cryptocurrencies that offer greater privacy and anonymity.

In Soviet Union, violation of currency control rules was punished with three to eight years imprisonment (and in certain cases, like if you doing it in a group, that becomes fifteen years to death penalty I believe). Introduced in 1960, this article was adjusted to be less severe in 1990, and finally deleted in 1994 (didn't make it into 21st century, but by a small margin). And this was classified as offence against the government, which has an interesting side effect: if you know about someone owning non-permitted foreign currency, and did not report it, you are considered guilty and punishment for not reporting is one to three years imprisonment.

You may argue that it is difficult if not impossible to prove that someone owns a bitcoin, and a customary good method of dealing with that is "if two people make a sworn statement that you do, then you do", with bad method being to accuse based on a single anonymous report. Which we here have much experience of.

This will work against bitcoin much better than against drugs, because a typical junkie has much less to lose than a typical bitcoin owner. The incentive to report a bitcoin owner is arguably larger than the incentive to report a junkie.

So in summary, in some part of the world, government allows people to play their games as long as it is not troublesome. Once it becomes troublesome, the entire industry will be gone in half a year. That part of the world certainly includes Russia and some former USSR states, arguably includes China, and I don't know about Muslim states. The obvious alternative is that the government will subvert either cryptocurrencies or the entire blockchain model for its own purposes, which is also entirely possible.

Bitcoin will not work against government regulations based on technicalities alone. If people want it enough to resist the government regulation enough, then it will fly. So far, I don't see it, at least not here.

The even bigger picture, in my mind, is that we're one planet, one species and that it's time to start behaving that way and working together if we are to survive and continue to advance. In the age of the digital global village, segregated nations, ruled by corrupt or self-appointed leaders is little removed from tribalism. I see the breaking down of borders that the internet and cryptocurrencies bring as the beginning of something spectacular.

On a bigger side, do people actually want a borderless world? Some do, but is it a majority? Certainly I do not want breaking down of borders, bad as they are. However, I think that's a bit outside of the scope of this discussion.
 
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Even thinking of the Internet, actually. It just occurred to me that Internet is unbelievably segregated.

1. Low IQ and low income people are just not there.
2. If you have a particular interest, you go to the site or forum of people having the same interest and nobody bothers you. There is no physical border, it is just that nobody else cares.
3. As if previous is not enough, I had to demonstrate some credentials to be able to post here, which effectively cuts off even broader part of the population by IQ and by interest.

So it is not like there are no borders on the Internet. These are just different type of borders.
 
In Soviet Union, violation of currency control rules was punished with three to eight years imprisonment (and in certain cases, like if you doing it in a group, that becomes fifteen years to death penalty I believe). Introduced in 1960, this article was adjusted to be less severe in 1990, and finally deleted in 1994 (didn't make it into 21st century, but by a small margin). And this was classified as offence against the government, which has an interesting side effect: if you know about someone owning non-permitted foreign currency, and did not report it, you are considered guilty and punishment for not reporting is one to three years imprisonment.
And that's precisely the sort of totalitarianism we should be fighting against. In countries where governments have already overstepped their control, progress will undoubtedly be much slower. However, as an increasing number of countries begin to adopt decentralised, borderless currencies, the governments that resist will be forced to reconsider their stance if they're to participate in the new global economy.
 
1. Low IQ and low income people are just not there.
There are no low IQ people on the internet? You do know there are websites other than Technibble, right? ;)

In my experience about 80% of the people on the internet have a low IQ.

But I agree with what you say about people with similar interests. We naturally form groups and gravitate towards people with similar opinions and interests, and that happens just as much online as it does in real life. However, I don't believe those kind of 'soft borders' have any bearing on the use of cryptocurrencies as borderless currencies, no more than your political opinions, religious beliefs or hobbies have any bearing on what credit card you use. Everyone can use cryptocurrencies, including people with very low IQs, thanks to continual developments and improvements that are making owning and using cryptocurrencies simpler and simpler.
 
1. Low IQ and low income people are just not there.
Maybe I should organize a meet and greet with some of my customers... and, yes, we are talking about people having wallets and miners on their computers.
So it is not like there are no borders on the Internet. These are just different type of borders.
signed. A significant border in the internet is - for example - the written language. And there are a lot more borders in the internet.
 
Maybe I should organize a meet and greet with some of my customers... and, yes, we are talking about people having wallets and miners on their computers.

I was thinking about IQ 80 and below, or Somalia-level low income. That makes for upwards of half a billion people, probably close a billion. These will not have miners and wallets and stuff. If your customers can install a miner and have a hardware to install it on, they are above these grades on both counts.
 
I was thinking about IQ 80 and below, or Somalia-level low income. That makes for upwards of half a billion people, probably close a billion. These will not have miners and wallets and stuff. If your customers can install a miner and have a hardware to install it on, they are above these grades on both counts.
You don't need to own and run mining equipment to own and use cryptocurrencies, no more than you need to own and run a bank to own and use fiat currencies. Some of the latest wallet apps make it extremely simple to own and use cryptocurrencies using the most basic inexpensive smart phones, and they're getting simpler to use and more accessible as the technology and the internet become more widespread. Which is more than can be said of the world's 2 Billion unbanked, permanently excluded from the global economy simply because they cannot meet the bank's requirements. In fact places like Somalia are being transformed by access to cryptocurrencies:

https://qz.com/1148263/a-startup-is...s-and-sheep-with-a-crowdfarming-app-ari-farm/

https://www.coindesk.com/ben-parker-bitcoin-has-potential-in-fragile-states/

Somalia provides an interesting case study for bitcoin.

Having been caught up in state of civil war - of varying intensity - since 1991, the East African nation was heavily hit by anti-money laundering (AML) regulation in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

To add injury, in May 2013, Barclays, the last major bank to provide remittance services to the country, announced plans to shut down approximately 250 money transfer businesses.
 
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