Cryptocurrencies

What cryptocurrencies do you use/own?

  • Bitcoin (XBT)

    Votes: 30 27.8%
  • Ether (ETH)

    Votes: 16 14.8%
  • Litecoin (LTC)

    Votes: 15 13.9%
  • Peercoin (PPC)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dash (DASH)

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • Dogecoin (XDG)

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • Blackcoin (BLK)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Zcash (ZEC)

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 14 13.0%
  • None

    Votes: 69 63.9%

  • Total voters
    108
Bitcoin price LIVE: Crypto experts 'optimistic' over George Soros' entry as futures SOAR
Link: https://www.express.co.uk/finance/c...s-cryptocurrency-ethereum-BTC-to-USD-XRP-news
“If Soros is investing now, crypto will have met a list of criteria at his fund.

"This telegraphs that he feels there is significant profit to be made in the space. As more high-profile investors like Soros enter the crypto market, the more risk-averse institutions that represent trillions of dollars such as sovereign funds will begin eyeing the returns that this new asset class could provide.

"At that point crypto will experience a profound transformation in terms of usage and value.”


Pantera CEO Thinks Crypto Market Could Reach $40 Trillion, Calls Bitcoin “Screaming Buy”
Link: https://cryptoslate.com/pantera-ceo...each-40-trillion-calls-bitcoin-screaming-buy/
“Obviously, we’re very bullish on the space. We think we’re way below, maybe an order of magnitude — or two — below the real fundamental fair value of blockchain,” he said, stating later that “the industry as a whole is $400 billion. It easily could go to $4 trillion, and $40 trillion is definitely possible.”





Now that we seem to have shaken out all the weak-handed investors who sent the price rocketing (and ultimately tumbling) a few months back, it looks like we're on the brink of large-scale institutional investment.

Hold on to your hats -- looks like we're headed skywards again!
 
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I was reading about those 'Smart Banknotes' earlier. Interesting idea. They could certainly help bridge the gap to make cryptocurrencies more accessible for the technically challenged.
There are some people who should not get into crypto currency always research before you buy or sell not like what this guy did buy XRP at it's highest point then sell when it goes down??? LoL.
https://www.ccn.com/disgruntled-xrp-investor-hits-ripple-with-class-action-lawsuit/
Yeah, typical noob mistake: Price drops --> panic --> sell at a loss. Unless there's a good reason to believe that the price may never recover, do NOT sell. You haven't lost if you haven't sold.

When I first got into cryptocurrencies a few years ago, there were times when my portfolio was worth much less than the hundreds of pounds I'd invested to buy them .... had I decided to sell. But I didn't. And now my portfolio is worth a couple of orders of magnitude more than my initial investment. And, despite the occasional plummet, on the larger scale it continues to rise.
 
This cuts both ways, of course. You also haven't gained if you haven't sold.
Very true.

But the gains become sustainable after a period of time and it becomes highly unlikely that the price will return to lows of 1 or 2 years ago (the gains rarely retreat back by more than a few months), and that's especially unlikely if you hedge against the catastrophic failure of any single coin by maintaining a diverse portfolio.

Personally speaking though, I have made real gains too (ie not just from the rising value of my portfolio), because I have made numerous small purchases along the way (using cryptocurrencies) that amount to more than my original investment.
 
I'm pleased that it's worked well for you but I'm sure we've both seen more than one Ponzi scheme and more than one bubble; they always look sustainable too, right up to the point where suddenly they don't. Even the cryptocurrencies nominally backed by physical assets are unproven (in the sense that nobody's yet collected a pocket full of gold after the linked cryptocurrency failed) which makes it perfectly possible for their value to drop to zero, and we don't have a long enough track record to be able to assign any reliable probabilities to their future behaviour.

Your statement above sounds worrying like "this time it's different" - and I'm sure we've both heard that before too!

Quite the contrary; this time it's exactly the same. Every correction in the cryptocurrency market is followed by a recovery, one which eventually surpasses record highs, before the cycle repeats. Take a look at the price charts over the last few years and you'll see that pattern repeating over and over again. Iron-out the fluctuations over the longer period and you'll see the price is only heading in one direction.

Don't confuse cryptocurrencies with the Ponzi schemes that use them. While it may be easier to setup and operate a cryptocurrency-based Ponzi scheme, cryptocurrencies are no more to blame for their existence than fiat currencies are for the the Ponzi schemes that utilise those.

Your concerns about the 'unbacked' nature of cryptocurrencies and the risk that they could somehow 'drop to zero' are very common and typical. Everyone who uses cryptocurrencies (myself included) comes up against those same psychological barriers initially. How can money be created from nothing and how can it possibly have value if it isn't backed by anything? When you've spent most of your life, as we all have, believing that all 'real' money is controlled and backed by governments and banks, it's very difficult to see beyond that programming. We all think we know what money is. Only when you start to question and study the origins (and future) of money do you realise that it's not what you thought it was. And to someone who is yet to push through that barrier, that probably all sounds like nonsense -- I know, I've been there -- but believe me, once you start to understand how and why cryptocurrencies came about, the underlying mechanisms and the reason they have value, it's a real eye-opener.

And when you do begin to understand cryptocurrencies you'll start to compare and question the value of fiat currencies, which are 'backed' by nothing more than governmental promises (ones which are continuously being broken though the gradual devaluation they call inflation). When you notice your money devaluing and realise how little those promises mean, there's a realisation that ultimately it's fiat currencies that are on the road to zero, especially now that we have cryptocurrencies to replace them. This has already begun to happen in countries like Venezuela, where the people have chosen cryptocurrencies, backed by consensus and hard mathematics, over fiat currencies (that have collapsed in value due to corruption and broken promises).

What you eventually realise is that the value is in adoption and usage. And that applies just as much to cryptocurrencies as it does to fiat. Just like Facebook has value because millions of people use it, the value of a monetary system is linked to usage. If enough people use it as a store of wealth and agree it has value, the value holds. The value will never drop to zero while there are people using it because someone will always be prepared to buy when it hits what they believe to be a bargain price. Likewise, as adoption grows, and the finite number of coins need to represent a larger market capitalisation, the coin value will rise. And that's precisely the reason we see an increase in value over the longer term. Unlike price spikes, which are largely due to speculation, adoption drives the price up at a gradual and sustainable rate.
 
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Yep, I'm not saying that at all.

In fact, if you see cryptocurrencies as merely a way to make (or lose) money, you're missing the bigger picture.

I do believe that what we're seeing is the beginnings of something huge, bigger even than the internet itself. Money underpins our entire society. The internet has so far revolutionised almost every aspect of our society. Now it's about to do the same for money.
 
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The man who is probably the smartest guy I've ever known had a saying about stocks back in the '90s. "All decreases in the market are temporary, all increases are permanent." At the time he had 160 years or so of history to look at, and never shyed away from saying that the Dow would easily top 20000 in his lifetime - which of course it did, all these years later.

I'm not drawing similarities to cryptocurrencies - I'll let someone with more investment knowledge than I have do that - just something to think about on a lazy Sunday.
 
When you notice your money devaluing and realise how little those promises mean, there's a realisation that ultimately it's fiat currencies that are on the road to zero, especially now that we have cryptocurrencies to replace them. This has already begun to happen in countries like Venezuela

Aside from the fact that Venezuela is trying to implement communist-backed cryptocurrency, which is hilarious, the rest of that reminds me of Borg's you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
 
I enjoy Warren Buffets discussions on Crypto-currency. His bottom line is that it will end badly but he does admit his ignorance.
 
Lol CNN is greatly exaggerating the loss on the cryptocurrency market BILLIONS LOST anyone that knows anything about cryptocurrency knows that it was only 37.2 million US that was lost from CoinRail there have been bank cyber theft as large as 750 million.
 
The news is happy to "lose" context, in order to push their narrative. Get ready for another housing crash here in the US... which will affect everything including crypto (likely to the positive side?). They don't report on that, either. This is why I get my news from Youtube o_O

Not to pull this thread off the rails, I do believe that large macro economic events will trigger people to divest into crypto and others.. it could be argued that the rise of crypto is in fact a result of the 2008-2010 instabilities.

Watch for it peeps!
 
$6,389.75 - LOL

Don't forget that at the start of this thread the price was less than $1,000.

And a few years before that it was worth just a few cents.

It's one heck of a roller-coaster when you focus on the short term but the bigger picture indicates continual growth.


Personally I'd rather take a ride on a roller coaster than a slide ...


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Don't forget that at the start of this thread the price was less than $1,000.

And a few years before that it was worth just a few cents.

It's one heck of a roller-coaster when you focus on the short term but the bigger picture indicates continual growth.


Personally I'd rather take a ride on a roller coaster than a slide ...
Nah, I think he just likes to come in here and jab when he sees a downward movement.
 
Just read an interesting editorial about the effect of cryptomining on the environment.

Condensed version:
Cryptomining is growing rapidly.

Antminer are buying 10+ million chips p/m for their S9 from TSMC.

It's estimated that the current (no pun intended) power consumption used for mining of 2.55 gigawatt's will rise to more than 8 gigawatt's by years end.

Ireland and Austria (as examples) consume 3.1 gigawatt's and 8.2 gigawatt's respectively.

"As the shift to renewable energy gains pace an awful lot of coal is being burned for an arguably intangible purpose.....ultimately the environmental cost is a clear and present danger..."

Australian PC & Tech Authority, July 2018
 
Just read an interesting editorial about the effect of cryptomining on the environment.

Condensed version:
Cryptomining is growing rapidly.

Antminer are buying 10+ million chips p/m for their S9 from TSMC.

It's estimated that the current (no pun intended) power consumption used for mining of 2.55 gigawatt's will rise to more than 8 gigawatt's by years end.

Ireland and Austria (as examples) consume 3.1 gigawatt's and 8.2 gigawatt's respectively.

"As the shift to renewable energy gains pace an awful lot of coal is being burned for an arguably intangible purpose.....ultimately the environmental cost is a clear and present danger..."

Australian PC & Tech Authority, July 2018


I think there's a few points that most studies of mining statistic miss ...

Firstly, most mining operations (particularly the large-scale operations) are driven by profit and a desire to achieve a return on their investments as quickly as possible. They will be intensely focused on maximising profits, including anything that can be done to reduce power consumption or use power more efficiently, making use of the heat generated, for example. If any of the heat generated is used to replace heat that would otherwise be generated by other means, then that energy consumption should not be counted. The calculations and statistics based purely on global hashing power rarely take that into account.

Secondly, because mining can be a very lucrative business, huge global interest and investment is driving development at a rapid pace. Not only is it pushing the development of more efficient processing power but it also helps drive innovation in renewable energy technologies, potentially providing long-term benefits that could be far reaching. Again, this is not something you'll see in most studies or statistics because it's difficult to quantify. However, even if we assume the improvements in technology resulting from mining only represent a very small decrease in environmentally-damaging energy consumption globally, it could still mean that, in the long term at least, mining may in fact be responsible for reducing damage to the environment.
 
I think there's a few points that most studies of mining statistic miss ...

Firstly, most mining operations (particularly the large-scale operations) are driven by profit and a desire to achieve a return on their investments as quickly as possible. They will be intensely focused on maximising profits, including anything that can be done to reduce power consumption or use power more efficiently, making use of the heat generated, for example. If any of the heat generated is used to replace heat that would otherwise be generated by other means, then that energy consumption should not be counted. The calculations and statistics based purely on global hashing power rarely take that into account.

Secondly, because mining can be a very lucrative business, huge global interest and investment is driving development at a rapid pace. Not only is it pushing the development of more efficient processing power but it also helps drive innovation in renewable energy technologies, potentially providing long-term benefits that could be far reaching. Again, this is not something you'll see in most studies or statistics because it's difficult to quantify. However, even if we assume the improvements in technology resulting from mining only represent a very small decrease in environmentally-damaging energy consumption globally, it could still mean that, in the long term at least, mining may in fact be responsible for reducing damage to the environment.
It was just the musings of the editor I think more than an in depth discussion.
 
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