I am in need of a skilled web development partner for a few projects

[tankman1989]

I think a lot of people mis understand the term "time is money" Well, this is somewhat true in a totally corrupted world but when times get tough, just remember how much money you have asked for and see how much help you get in return. People with the "time is money" attitude back in Germany post WWI were left with wheelbarrow's full of their Precious money which wasn't worth jack sh*t. Just because you have a skill and someone doesn't doesn't mean you have to rape them on the price, especially when they are asking for a partnership.

Some people's sense of entitlement and greed is just beyond me and one day, the masses WILL get tired of it and those who have the money will figure out how much it really means.

I say good luck to the money men, and in all times, things change. "The first will become the last and the last will become the first." The times they are a chaingin. Blah, blah, blah, bodies hangin in the wind.

 

[NeutronTech]

Neutron you're just not realistic...noone OWES you to build you a bench and help you. That's so naive...and noone is calling you lazy, its just that for most people, if they don't have the money, they won't start small businesses, simple as that....you take the risk with your wallet until you have a proven track record. For example if a proven business man came to me and asked me to invest time into their idea......I would consider it.............a newbie NOOOOO WAY....gimme the money its pay to play, its not your god given right to own a business.............the rewards are great but the buy-in is expensive Sorry but YES I DO think some of you are living a dream world.........

Where did I say anyone OWES me anything? OP didn't say anyone owed him anything either. It was simply a request for help, if anyone was interested. Not interested? Move along. I have another friend who handles my accounting. She's an accounting / business management grad who is damn good too. She knows that someday it will pay off.

My point is that there really are plenty of people in this world who are willing to help without the "I'm too good to help you because my time is worth more than your time" attitude. If your not interested in helping, then there is no reason to belittle him and his ideas. Just ignore it and someone else who doesn't have that self deserving attitude will eventually come along to help.

 

[tankman1989]

Where did I say anyone OWES me anything? OP didn't say anyone owed him anything either. It was simply a request for help, if anyone was interested. Not interested? Move along. I have another friend who handles my accounting. She's an accounting / business management grad who is damn good too. She knows that someday it will pay off.

My point is that there really are plenty of people in this world who are willing to help without the "I'm too good to help you because my time is worth more than your time" attitude. If your not interested in helping, then there is no reason to belittle him and his ideas. Just ignore it and someone else who doesn't have that self deserving attitude will eventually come along to help.

Thanks for the support NeutronTech! I think he is short sighted as well in many cases.

 

[tankman1989]

no it was to give you a dose of reality. unless your ideas have been researched, tested, proven, and implemented before, no one is going to blindly invest in your ideas by putting in time, not even for 50% ownership. You want someone to implement your ideas? It'll be an hourly rate, and usually you'll get poor quality work unless you pay WAY MORE than you can afford. That's the reality of business....PLUS you'll be lucky if your idea won't be stolen by the guy doing the actual work...............once you tell them the idea what's the point of having YOU around?

I had an idea too 4 years ago...and I didn't have the resources to implement it fully. But i was able to implement parts of it, test it, research it, and THEN i came to my 'now' business partner, and pitched him the idea...........and sold him on it. But I had statistics and research and previous experience to get rapport with my business partner, I didn't just come up and say 'hey i have this genius idea' why don't you blindly give up your time and do all the hard work.

And lastly if you've never followed through on any them, that strongly suggests you're not a very reliable person and have no follow through and that's a pretty bad business partner.

The point as I said was to encourage you to roll up your sleeve and deliver some results yourself, and then maybe someone will believe in you. For now I doubt anyone will.

I guess ou never heard of a company called Apple that started with a group of guys who thought they could change the world, or at least bring an personal PC to the market. While their partnership was a littl rocly, it did last through. Once they got some good ideas down on paper and a game plan ready to go they found VC and off the went! Well, that is what I am looking at doing. My idea is simple and should be easily to implement. Once a rough site is up and running we can either refine it with out limited budget and thart making some income to further increase the look/feel of the site or we can go the loan route. I would always refer to stay away from Banks for a number of reasons. I dan't see why an idea man with some $$ can't pay a developer maybe 1/3-1/2 up front and the rest a couple months after completion. Sure both are taking risks here, but at least eht programmer is garunteed to make sime money off of this.

 

[meanderer]

You need to find someone who truly knows you well (aka friend) I mean trying to pick up some web dev as partner.
Asking a stranger to do such thing would be nearly impossible.

How is your business doing? Maybe you can consider giving the dev some compensation + partnership to sweeten the deal. Considering it reinvestment R&D.

yes, apple and MS and every other amazing company start with some basement partnership, but also note that most of those partners knew each other well.

and for the rest of you, if you know anyone with web dev that the OP needs, let him know and leave the negotiation between him and the dev. The rest is just opinion for entertainment, so lighten up

 

[callthatgirl]

I think you found your partner Tankman, BryanVest. I can't believe you two aren't already skype meeting this whole thing out already!

 

[K007]

You have a biiiiig problem in your hands.
Ideas cannot be patented and copyrighted LOL
That is why specialists in their field who have ideas go ahead and put them into practice, of course with the help of investors.
As soon as you tell your idea to someone, if it goes in the right hands you could be off the books and that person can safely go on their way without you.

I am sorry to disappointing you but any idea is worth as much as the skills and money it takes to make it reality.
You ain't got the last two, and you cannot safely protect what you got.
See what I am talking about?

 

[cmonova]

You have a few choices

1. Take your idea and put it into action

Problem with this one: If you don't have the experience i.e. if it's web related then it will
probably take you forever to get up to speed and then the "end up being developed by someone esle
down the road" will probably happen.

Possibility: If it's that good of an idea and you have a plan then share it with a select few that
might think it's a great idea also and maybe they have the knowledge of how to put it into action

2. Find some money

Problem with this one: You either have to have the funds, you have to ask people you know to invest
in your idea or you have to find the funds.

Possibility: If you think it's a great idea get a small loan for it to get it going. Get a credit
card and use it for just this idea.

 

[K007]

Back in '95 I had this idea, which basically was that the same technology as the TELETEXT can be used for read/write not only read info (TELETEXT).
I don't know if I was the first to have this idea or not, but 4 years later, first televisions with email incorporated were up on the market. I am talking about analogue TV's not digital. Didn't have the money, didn't have enough skills, just the idea...

 

[kats22]

Neutron you're just not realistic...noone OWES you to build you a bench and help you. That's so naive...and noone is calling you lazy, its just that for most people, if they don't have the money, they won't start small businesses, simple as that....you take the risk with your wallet until you have a proven track record. For example if a proven business man came to me and asked me to invest time into their idea......I would consider it.............a newbie NOOOOO WAY....gimme the money its pay to play, its not your god given right to own a business.............the rewards are great but the buy-in is expensive Sorry but YES I DO think some of you are living a dream world.........

Well said. Couldn't agree more!

 

[NeutronTech]

I think people are reading more into this than needed. The OP was simply asking for a developer to help with some ideas. Then a crap storm of negative comments followed. There was no need for any one it. Seriously, if no one was going to be interested, then the thread would have just died off on its own. I also don't see anything in the OP that says he wasn't willing to pay someone for their help, so I don't know where this whole money/risk thing came from anyways.

 

[K007]

I think people are reading more into this than needed. The OP was simply asking for a developer to help with some ideas. Then a crap storm of negative comments followed. There was no need for any one it. Seriously, if no one was going to be interested, then the thread would have just died off on its own. I also don't see anything in the OP that says he wasn't willing to pay someone for their help, so I don't know where this whole money/risk thing came from anyways.

Wrong...
This is a topic which digs deep down some peoples unfinished business.... lol
Brings up abandoned dreams, frustration, but also hope.
That is why not only people who are interested are replying.

 

[Jory]

The problem is every web developer has heard this pitch a million times over, and generally professionals are not interested in working for free. Everyone thinks they're an "idea guy", but ideas are cheap and a professional's time isn't. If you don't think every web developer already has a long list of ideas they'd like to develop you're pretty naive. Time is a limited resource and ideas are in abundance.

I can't tell you how many times someone has learned that I do a little web development and they start pitching me some terrible idea, and then end off with how I'm going to get paid once the money starts rolling in. Usually their ideas boil down to a facebook clone, t-shirt sales, or something really stupid that isn't technically or legally possible. After about the tenth time this happens you tend to start responding negatively. With that said I'm not surprised this topic derailed the way it did.

 

[NeutronTech]

The problem is every web developer has heard this pitch a million times over, and generally professionals are not interested in working for free.

Once again, where did OP say he was looking for anyone to do anything for free?

 

[BostonGeek1]

The OP said it in the first post, and you said it as well, that its a normal expectation to ask someone to work for free for some 'future reward', because 'it will pay off'. The main disagreement some people have, is with that attitude as a whole.

 

[NeutronTech]

The OP said it in the first post, and you said it as well, that its a normal expectation to ask someone to work for free for some 'future reward', because 'it will pay off'. The main disagreement some people have, is with that attitude as a whole.

No, I didn't say it was a normal expectation. I said there was nothing wrong with asking. And no, that is not the disgreement here. The disagreement is about someone asking for some help on this forum and being met with rude, demeaning attitudes.

I have been lucky to have the help I've had. I didn't expect anyone to do anything. But I am glad that the people I know don't have your "pfft, it's not worth my time" attitude. It's also not as uncommon as you think it is for people to lend a helping hand. If it's such a rare concept for you, then I feel sorry for you and the world you live in.

All I know is that if it hadn't been for the help of others, I would not be where I am today. I haven't forgotten that either. Someday someone around me will need help within my means, and I will be more than happy to lend a hand.

 

[meanderer]

ok, a little bit more sidetracking....
(this is off memory so some facts are a bit off but essence should be right):
back when google was still started, the 2 partners had a PR firm of 2 members make some sort of presentation to get initial funding. The 2 google partners offered 1000 shares of google stocks as compensation. 1 of them took the stock and the other sent them an invoice of $1000....

and all these times later guess what?

I can't find the original source, so I guess it's just a "story", and no you are probably not the next google, so get ready to pay for some professional work. I like to get paid.

 

[Jory]

Once again, where did OP say he was looking for anyone to do anything for free?

In his first post where he says he doesn't have any money or knowledge to implement his ideas, but is still asking for someone to do all the work.

If he truly had a one in a million idea he'd have no problem coming up with the money to get started. If it were me I'd get a loan from a bank, family, friends, or maybe even one of my wealthier customers if it came down to it. If all of them turned me down half the stuff in my house would be on ebay tomorrow. If that still wasn't enough I'd be flipping burgers at mickey dee's on midnight shift if I had to.

While doing all of that I would be cramming web development knowledge into my head like there is no tomorrow. If you're technically inclined at all HTML, CSS, and PHP are incredibly easy to learn.

He's asking someone to take on a partnership where the extent of his risk is coming up with the idea while the other person does everything else. So if anyone is willing to take on a partner that basically does nothing, but will still profit from your hard work please consider me as your first option.

 

[NeutronTech]

In his first post where he says he doesn't have any money or knowledge to implement his ideas, but is still asking for someone to do all the work.

If he truly had a one in a million idea he'd have no problem coming up with the money to get started. If it were me I'd get a loan from a bank, family, friends, or maybe even one of my wealthier customers if it came down to it. If all of them turned me down half the stuff in my house would be on ebay tomorrow. If that still wasn't enough I'd be flipping burgers at mickey dee's on midnight shift if I had to.

While doing all of that I would be cramming web development knowledge into my head like there is no tomorrow. If you're technically inclined at all HTML, CSS, and PHP are incredibly easy to learn.

He's asking someone to take on a partnership where the extent of his risk is coming up with the idea while the other person does everything else. So if anyone is willing to take on a partner that basically does nothing, but will still profit from your hard work please consider me as your first option.

Again, if your not volunteering to help him then your comments and self serving attitude aren't needed. There are plenty of people in this world without that "i deserve" and "me me me" attitude. You have no idea what OP was going to bring to the table. You never bothered to ask. You just made assumptions based on what your cynical beliefs are. I guess that shows what kind of person you are. A person that actually cares about something other than himself would start off by asking questions and find out the particular details about what each party will bring to the table, what the rewards and or risk would be. Then make a decision. Not just assume the worst and not assume that they would behave like you would.

 

[Jory]

Again, if your not volunteering to help him then your comments and self serving attitude aren't needed. There are plenty of people in this world without that "i deserve" and "me me me" attitude. You have no idea what OP was going to bring to the table. You never bothered to ask. You just made assumptions based on what your cynical beliefs are. I guess that shows what kind of person you are. A person that actually cares about something other than himself would start off by asking questions and find out the particular details about what each party will bring to the table, what the rewards and or risk would be. Then make a decision. Not just assume the worst and not assume that they would behave like you would.

I am helping him out... By pointing out that he's wasting his time by expecting others to do what he should be doing himself. You're the one that seems to be bringing nothing to this topic other than nerd raging on people for pointing out the obvious.

Expecting to be paid for your work means you have an "I deserve" and "me me me" attitude. That's some awesome logic. I know exactly what he was bringing to the table by reading his original post. He blatantly says he has no money or knowledge in web development, but is the "idea guy". You did read that post didn't you?