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I'll bet he goes to Apple to get his Windows documentation too.

There will be no conclusion after reading it, because my time is finite and I reserve it for things that actually have value. A quick glance at what that idiot has written is all I need to know exactly who he is... a greedy, selfish monster that pretends it's a man while enriching himself off perpetuating ignorance and superstition.

@labtech I have better things to do with my time, and so do you.
 
labtech said:
Not sure why jumping to conclusions and attacking.
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That's what they do, and why I ignore most of them now. It helps make themselves feel better for getting suckered into following something that they now know to be wrong. But, to save face, they have to keep the agenda going, and attack anyone who doesn't fall in line. They can attack all they want. But I'm not changing anything until they start to show me real evidence that I'm wrong. So far, no one has been able to do that. Oh, and they will take one small piece of something you said and totally take it out of context to make their point. It's laughable, really. But it's a tactic. A tactic that doesn't work with me.

I have not read that book, but it does look interesting. I'll have to see if my local library has it.
 
Despite his perceived incentives to write the book, I am pretty confident, that Horowitz, even as a dentist, which still requires years of medical studies, is likely more knowledgeable with or without the research he had done on viruses, than any of us here combined.

I had higher expectations from some of you in at least learning, discussing and basing thoughts on the fundamentals of things, rather than get fed manufactured and edited information by non-medical reporters, journalists, columnists or bloggers, whose incentive is to write crap, so they can put food on the table for their family.

However, it looks like we need to ask the for-profit pharmaceuticals & congress (whose 401K portfolios are hugely dependent on stocks from those pharmaceutical companies, along with military contractors stocks - conflict much?!?) to create & approve a new plan for a vaccine meant for "being ignorant". And let them overpay for them with billions of taxpayers dollars, while still spreading the virus despite being vaccinated. Why not?! What a joke.

With that in mind, I will take your advice and not waste my time any longer on discussing books.
 
labtech said:
I will take your advice and not waste my time any longer on discussing books.
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The problem is not "discussing books," and you know it. This is what disgusts me, when people present absolutely non-credible sources and then pretend that those who call them out on same are the anti-intellectual crowd. Sorry, but no. Attitudes like yours are the very embodiment of a sage observation made by Issac Asimov many years ago:

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’
~ Isaac Asimov

And make no mistake, promoting garbage sources is, undeniably, anti-intellectualism. It deliberately omits the foundational principle of critical thinking: "Consider the source."
 
I just looked up the definition of intellectualism and anti-intellectualism, so I don't misrepresent based on assumption of their definitions.

The act of studying facts from various sources, including books that you did not read, despite biases and assumptions, is the very act of being intellectual. I am seeking facts from various sources to form an intellectual opinion.

B, you should take your own advice, as you come across more in support of anti-intellectualism. Just sounding intellectual, it isn't. Stop it, as you are making it worse for yourself. It is weak, seriously.
 
pctechforhire said:
That's what they do, and why I ignore most of them now. It helps make themselves feel better for getting suckered into following something that they now know to be wrong. But, to save face, they have to keep the agenda going, and attack anyone who doesn't fall in line. They can attack all they want. But I'm not changing anything until they start to show me real evidence that I'm wrong. So far, no one has been able to do that. Oh, and they will take one small piece of something you said and totally take it out of context to make their point. It's laughable, really. But it's a tactic. A tactic that doesn't work with me.

I have not read that book, but it does look interesting. I'll have to see if my local library has it.
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And I will say it again. You claim that there are 47 studies that prove masks don't work. I would love to read any of them. Post one JUST ONE. You can't because you haven't read them yourself. You are simply repeating a number giving by a talking head you like and taking it as gospel. You get attacked because you say things that are EASILY disproven. Like your claims that COIVD has run longer than the Spanish Flu or that there are more suicides than deaths by COVID. You get attacked because you leave yourself ridiculously open. The education system in this country is atrocious, designed to completely drum out any ability to engage in critical thinking skills.

"Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation.” - George Carlin
 
And then he claims "other sources" when referencing a book written by a very obvious crank.

I may as well go write a book talking about the evils of vaccines too... since my IT background gives me great GoogleFu and therefore I know everything.
 
labtech said:
Has anybody here read this?

Emerging Viruses: AIDS And Ebola : Nature, Accident or Intentional? Limited Edition​

by Leonard G. Horowitz (Author)

Emerging Viruses: AIDS And Ebola : Nature, Accident or Intentional?: Horowitz, Leonard G.: 9780923550127: Amazon.com: Books

Emerging Viruses: AIDS And Ebola : Nature, Accident or Intentional? [Horowitz, Leonard G.] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Emerging Viruses: AIDS And Ebola : Nature, Accident or Intentional?
www.amazon.com
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Horowitz is a quack that has been selling snake oil for years. But even if the book is correct so what? We still have to deal with COVID, Aids, or Ebola. The source of it is irrelevant in regards to the treatment and prevention issues.
 
labtech said:
The act of studying facts from various sources,
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The act of studying various CREDIBLE sources. CREDIBLE. That matters.

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.
~ Harlan Ellison

The very definition of promoting ignorance, and being ignorant, is giving weight to junk, which is what you are doing. And no matter how much you try to turn this around on those of us stating clear facts, and informed opinion, it's not going to work
 
labtech said:
need to ask the for-profit pharmaceuticals & congress (whose 401K portfolios are hugely dependent on stocks from those pharmaceutical companies, along with military contractors stocks - conflict much?!?) to create & approve a new plan for a vaccine meant for "being ignorant". And let them overpay for them with billions of taxpayers dollars, while still spreading the virus despite being vaccinated. Why not?! What a joke.

With that in mind, I will take your advice and not waste my time any longer on discussing books.
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Boy - you hit it on the head - I thought I was the only one thinking about all the pocket stuffing going on with the pharmaceutical companies and our "leaders" (what a misnomer) in the Congress!
 
River Valley Computer said:
Boy - you hit it on the head - I thought I was the only one thinking about all the pocket stuffing going on with the pharmaceutical companies and our "leaders" (what a misnomer) in the Congress!
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The "pocket stuffing" as you put it is irrelevant against the needs for medical reality.

You aren't wrong that big pharma is making too much off the taxpayer, that's very much a thing to point out and be upset about. But, that doesn't change the actionable stuff we have to do right now. It doesn't invalidate masks, or make the vaccines unsafe or unnecessary.

It's a completely independent issue, which means you're moving the goal post.

P.S. It was GOP's Trump that signed the blank check... Biden cannot unsign it. What a shock, the king of bad business did exactly what he does to all of us from the Oval Office...
 
Sky-Knight said:
You aren't wrong that big pharma is making too much off the taxpayer, that's very much a thing to point out and be upset about. But, that doesn't change the actionable stuff we have to do right now. It doesn't invalidate masks, or make the vaccines unsafe or unnecessary.

It's a completely independent issue, which means you're moving the goal post.
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Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing!! We have a winner!

The ability to disentangle issues unrelated to each other, but that are related to some other shared issue/situation/person/etc., is yet another hallmark of critical thinking.

Fact: The vaccines are safe and effective.

Fact: Vaccine effectiveness never has been, nor will be 100% prevention of infection.

Fact: Those who do get breakthrough infections, who are a tiny minority of the ongoing spread, consistently have less severe symptoms, most often not requiring hospitalization.

Fact: Masks have been shown to be way more than just "minimally effective" in preventing the spread of airborne vectors from the individual wearing them when they sneeze, cough, or just breathe. And that's why they're worn, not for self protection, but to minimize airborne spread if you happen to be infected. This is to the benefit of everyone.

Opinion: (And one I share) - There's been a lot of highly questionable pocket-lining, particularly of the insider trading type, related to the pandemic. But that doesn't change the facts above one iota. And they're what can, and should, dictate public policy.
 
britechguy said:
Opinion: (And one I share) - There's been a lot of highly questionable pocket-lining, particularly of the insider trading type, related to the pandemic. But that doesn't change the facts above one iota. And they're what can, and should, dictate public policy.
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Meanwhile we the people scream at our reps about the graft, and try to vote against it where possible. Sadly... that is a MUCH harder problem to solve than the pandemic.
 
labtech said:
I had higher expectations from some of you in at least learning, discussing and basing thoughts on the fundamentals of things, rather than get fed manufactured and edited information by non-medical reporters, journalists, columnists or bloggers, whose incentive is to write crap, so they can put food on the table for their family.
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Yes!
labtech said:
The act of studying facts from various sources, including books that you did not read, despite biases and assumptions, is the very act of being intellectual. I am seeking facts from various sources to form an intellectual opinion.
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Yes again! And I'd add that it's being a critical thinker. Too much biases, and you've lost.
 
Sky-Knight said:
I'll bet he goes to Apple to get his Windows documentation too.
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Hahaaaha, I missed this post...

I think you meant to say "I will bet he goes to Apple to get his Microsoft documentation, too".
But hey, I will play my hand, using your words.

Off the top of my head, I would go to Apple for Windows information in one circumstance. Let me explain:

Imagine a computer shop or an IT department has:
- A more recent Mac, whatever model
- Two Windows machines with NTFS formatted drives, along with
- Some of the better data recovery softwares installed on all 3 machines, say R-Studio

If one of the hard drives on the Windows machines fails with bad sectors, which is the most common failure, and data recovery is needed, I am willing to bet that out of sample of 10 techs, you, along with probably 8 other know-it-alls, would take the failed drive and connect it to the other working Windows machine to see if the drive mounts and try to recover the files.

Well, that would be the wrong approach, as Windows will go ham reading data from the drive running CHKDSK, further losing more data blocks/files to the reallocation process running in the background.

In that common scenario, the right choice would be to connect the hard drive to the Mac, as it would mount an NTFS volume in read-only mode, therefore not hammering the drive's condition as a Windows box would.

Don't worry weighing the credibility of that. It is not in a book written by a quack. But you and your intellectual supporters have my permission to throw it on a blog to potentially help in the future 8 fools looking for credible information online. Too bad they are only gonna read it after they screw up. So what? It is just somebody else's data, right!?

So, your bet is not wrong... right.
 
@labtech And now you argue from a position of authority, also... I wouldn't do such a thing at all because I have Linux equipment around for that purpose. Google is the source of information in this regard, and reputable sources researched there will illustrate that path.

So I wouldn't use either Apple, nor Microsoft sources for information on data recovery, because they do not provide relevant information.

Now, going to a discredited dentist for medical information, that's about as sane as going to your creepy uncle that's spent time in the pen for molestation for marriage advice. But by all means, please continue.

Finally Your "gotcha" of changing product naming to company name... wasn't really a thing, because I said what I said for a reason. There is no circumstance wherein you'd go to Apple for Windows documentation. But yet, that's exactly what you're asking us to do here. All I'm asking you to do is apply the same diligence you've used to learn how to perform data recovery to medicine. If you did, we'd not be having this conversation.
 
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