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Galdorf said:
this might be old but applies even more as hand sanitizer is being used Much more now everywhere you go they want you to use it.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4368033/...esistant-to-alcohol-disinfectants-study-says/
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NOTE VERY WELL: That article is referring to bacterial vectors, and specifically ones that have become antibiotic resistant. VRE - Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus - has been a major problem in health care facilities for a long time now (it was an issue when I was last working in an inpatient healthcare facility in the early 2000s) as has MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus).

These are entirely different from infectious viruses.
 
@Moltuae If the schools ever reopen again... my 5 year old is going to Kindergarten with a shield for that reason. The older three were given the choice, reusable masks or a shield.

What's annoying is the local schools are fighting us a bit on the shields because they are "hats". But, don't have that problem for a bit because the schools are 100% distance when they open next month.
 
Sky-Knight said:
@Moltuae If the schools ever reopen again... my 5 year old is going to Kindergarten with a shield for that reason. The older three were given the choice, reusable masks or a shield.

What's annoying is the local schools are fighting us a bit on the shields because they are "hats". But, don't have that problem for a bit because the schools are 100% distance when they open next month.
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What about safety goggles with the silicone edging that seals them to your face? Those will probably be more effective than a face shield, as there is a lot of air flow around a face shield. And the vent holes for goggles are a lot more restrictive for air flow than a face shield is.
 
Sky-Knight said:
But, don't have that problem for a bit because the schools are 100% distance when they open next month.
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I do not have a dog in the going to school fight but I will wait and see what actually happens. There is no way to 100% distance school age children 100%. It would be like herding cats.

If I had school-age children I would still opt for at-home learning.
 
britechguy said:
What about safety goggles with the silicone edging that seals them to your face? Those will probably be more effective than a face shield, as there is a lot of air flow around a face shield. And the vent holes for goggles are a lot more restrictive for air flow than a face shield is.
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Because the ER nurse I work with tells me that's overkill. The spray isn't on the wind, it's a direct projectile and fall off. So all you're trying to do is keep the spit from smacking your face.

I mean if we're going that far I'll just get some Boba Fett helmets... Then I can march my little Mandalorians off to school everyday.
 
@Sky-Knight, All I meant was it could solve the "hat issue."

I can't disagree that they're overkill. I just wonder if goggles and a face mask might (and I do mean might) be considered "preferable attire." None of this stuff is fun, that's for darned sure, and fighting with kids over it (and there will be a lot of that, even if it's not you and your kids) isn't going to be easy, either.
 
@britechguy That's part of the reason why I'm sending my kids back to normal school as soon as I can. I can be involved in helping the district figure out that solution. If I give up that opportunity, I'll just have whatever someone else figures out foisted on me. The district has been very good about accepting the things I point out and dealing with them.

This is going to go on for another five years at least, so I figure I can either assist with figuring out a new normal, or I can teach my kids it's OK to hide from hard things. And, if I'm perfectly honest... my four kids ALL of them, even the five year old are already well trained / stubborn enough to say screw that. There is no keeping this bunch home.
 
britechguy said:
NOTE VERY WELL: That article is referring to bacterial vectors, and specifically ones that have become antibiotic resistant. VRE - Vancomycin Resistant Enterococcus - has been a major problem in health care facilities for a long time now (it was an issue when I was last working in an inpatient healthcare facility in the early 2000s) as has MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus).

These are entirely different from infectious viruses.
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That is what i am talking about super bugs bacterial are MUCH worse now because many more people are using hand sanitizer the number of people hospitalized from this has risen sharply due to covid-19 and increased use had family members had this happen to and multiple times it kept returning.

And also methanol is showing up in cheap hand sanitizer which is very dangerous.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/us/fda-hand-sanitizer-trnd/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/health/hand-sanitizer-methanol-fda-trnd/index.html
 
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Sky-Knight said:
@britechguy That's part of the reason why I'm sending my kids back to normal school as soon as I can. I can be involved in helping the district figure out that solution. If I give up that opportunity, I'll just have whatever someone else figures out foisted on me. The district has been very good about accepting the things I point out and dealing with them.

This is going to go on for another five years at least, so I figure I can either assist with figuring out a new normal, or I can teach my kids it's OK to hide from hard things. And, if I'm perfectly honest... my four kids ALL of them, even the five year old are already well trained / stubborn enough to say screw that. There is no keeping this bunch home.
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The main factor is this https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/health/airborne-transmission-of-coronavirus-who/index.html

In public places to make schools safer they should install UV lamps inside air outlets for heating-air exchange there are some doing this already should prevent airborne transmission.
 
Galdorf said:
An example of what could happen when schools open up even with masks and gloves and hand sanitizer NOTHING is 100%, now imagine this on a scale of millions.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/12/us/arizona-teachers-coronavirus/index.html
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From the article: "She was prone to sinus infections, and also had asthma, diabetes and lupus." So, an upper-middle-age person with several serious high-risk factors died. That's too bad, of course, but all it tells us is that those in that situation need to be very careful about protecting themselves. It tells us nothing about the risk to healthier people, especially if they're younger, and most especially if they're kids, who the data show are at very close to zero risk even if they get infected. So it tells us nothing at all about what could happen when schools open.
 
backwoodsman said:
From the article: "She was prone to sinus infections, and also had asthma, diabetes and lupus." So, an upper-middle-age person with several serious high-risk factors died. That's too bad, of course, but all it tells us is that those in that situation need to be very careful about protecting themselves. It tells us nothing about the risk to healthier people, especially if they're younger, and most especially if they're kids, who the data show are at very close to zero risk even if they get infected. So it tells us nothing at all about what could happen when schools open.
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Who will teach the children if all the teachers die?.
Even if most children won't die from it does not make them immune to spreading it.
 
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Galdorf said:
Who will teach the children if all the teachers die?.
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No one, I suppose, but do you really think that's likely? Are all your teachers in Canada in the extremely high risk group like this lady was? I'd guess not; I'd guess, like most people in most places, most are at a tiny fraction of the risk this lady had. Better to stick with the data and not let unrealistic fears cloud the issue.
 
backwoodsman said:
No one, I suppose, but do you really think that's likely? Are all your teachers in Canada in the extremely high risk group like this lady was? I'd guess not; I'd guess, like most people in most places, most are at a tiny fraction of the risk this lady had. Better to stick with the data and not let unrealistic fears cloud the issue.
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Have you actually read the article the other teachers had covid-19 also the teacher that died spread covid-19 to her whole family and relatives.

"Days later, Jesse Byrd, his daughter, son, daughter-in-law, 4-year-old granddaughter and several other relatives contracted Covid-19. His wife's brother also tested positive and has been on a ventilator for over 27 days, he told CNN Saturday night."
 
Galdorf said:
Who will teach the children if all the teachers die?.
Even if most children won't die from it does not make them immune to spreading it.
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More than a bit of an overstatement, to be sure.

Those of us who are in demographics known to be hit differentially hard by Covid-19 have the obligation to keep ourselves safe. This means up to and including not going back to work.

It is going to be interesting to see how this ends up working, or not working, as I will adamantly support those teachers who wish to return to the classroom as well as those who are equally adamant that they will not. But choices have consequences, and if you elect not to return to the classroom when summoned it should also be expected that one will be released from one's position.

I personally think that schools should not be reopening based upon the data we have available. It's just a horrible idea.

In the end, though, each parent and each teacher will make the decisions they personally feel comfortable with.
 
britechguy said:
More than a bit of an overstatement, to be sure.

Those of us who are in demographics known to be hit differentially hard by Covid-19 have the obligation to keep ourselves safe. This means up to and including not going back to work.

It is going to be interesting to see how this ends up working, or not working, as I will adamantly support those teachers who wish to return to the classroom as well as those who are equally adamant that they will not. But choices have consequences, and if you elect not to return to the classroom when summoned it should also be expected that one will be released from one's position.

I personally think that schools should not be reopening based upon the data we have available. It's just a horrible idea.

In the end, though, each parent and each teacher will make the decisions they personally feel comfortable with.
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Your right just imagine the psychological damage to children when they realize that they spread covid-19 to grandma or grandpa and they end up dying.
 
Galdorf said:
Your right just imagine the psychological damage to children when they realize that they spread covid-19 to grandma or grandpa and they end up dying.
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The least of my worries, really. It is quite difficult when clusters occur to determine who in that cluster was the starting point.

Not that I want anyone to die, and I have said that on many occasions, but when there is a global pandemic going on it will happen. Children need to be taught this, too, in a way that is not intended to frighten nor cast blame. People are going to die for the foreseeable future. Who those people will be we cannot know with any certainty. The blame game is utterly useless provided one has been taking recommended measures to reduce the risk of transmission.

Part of teaching personal responsibility is also teaching when "you did everything you could, and it's not your fault" applies.
 
Galdorf said:
Have you actually read the article the other teachers had covid-19 also the teacher that died spread covid-19 to her whole family and relatives.
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Of course I read it. Did you notice they didn't say a word about two important details: (1) The high-risk status, or not, of her brother on a ventilator, and (2) whether the others had any symptoms, or just tested positive with no symptoms.

So I'm still going to go with, let's just stick to the facts we know for sure, and not let ourselves be unduly swayed by stories like this that seem designed for maximum sensationalism and fear potential. And the facts say it's very unusual for this virus to be a really big problem for healthy people with no risk factors.
 
backwoodsman said:
Of course I read it. Did you notice they didn't say a word about two important details: (1) The high-risk status, or not, of her brother on a ventilator, and (2) whether the others had any symptoms, or just tested positive with no symptoms.

So I'm still going to go with, let's just stick to the facts we know for sure, and not let ourselves be unduly swayed by stories like this that seem designed for maximum sensationalism and fear potential. And the facts say it's very unusual for this virus to be a really big problem for healthy people with no risk factors.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...19-have-serious-health-problems-idUSKBN22V2YQ
 
Galdorf said:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...19-have-serious-health-problems-idUSKBN22V2YQ
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Did you read that article, or just the headline? It has a lot of stats and info, and links to more, that back up what I said about low- and high-risk people. The headline is misleading; you really should read the whole article. I found the link to Britain's NHS site particularly interesting.

Not quite everything it says it true, though; for example, near the bottom it says the mortality rate for Covid is "far higher" than 1%, which is demonstrably false.
 
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