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Herd immunity (whether naturally occurring or induced via vaccine) is the one and only way that any pandemic comes to a close.

That being said, getting to herd immunity "the natural way" will clearly involve not just American carnage, but worldwide carnage. The death tolls would be staggering and since we've been living in times without mass plagues for quite a long time now, the psychological toll on those who survive would be equally staggering.

My genuine fear is that the anti-vaccine crowd will be successful in "forcing" the natural course of the pandemic. And it's not them I care about one bit, but those who would take a vaccine in a heartbeat but for whom serious medical reasons make that a difficult to impossible option. Were one to be released tomorrow, I'd be first in line. Vaccines are nothing short of the medical miracle of the ages. The amount of death and suffering they've prevented is incalculable.
 
Ah, Orange County, CA. I microdot of wild-eyed red - and there's no better demonstration of that than this.

Just watched a short piece on BBC news about mask wearing and statistics on Covid-19 and death rates per million people. Japan, which has used face masks for decades (long before Covid) when viral outbreaks occurred is the lowest in the world, and if you look at video of life going on there you'll observe no one (or as close as one can get) without a face mask.

Contrast that to the idiots, and, yes, they are idiots here protesting that masks are an affront to their freedom and screaming at the top of their lungs in large groups in public. It is sickening how much disrespect has been cultivated for both fact and expert opinion regarding every possible sphere in this nation over the last 40 to 50 years. Willful stupidity is incurable, and, sadly, will lead to a lot of unnecessary sickness and death.
 
Yep... this meme is the best I've seen to show it. You can replace the American Revolution frame with several national origin stories and still make it work.
 

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@Sky-Knight,

I would have more respect (still next to none, though) for a simple, "I don't wanna!!" It's the stupid hoax/conspiracy theory/it's an assault on my freedom BS that enrages me.

Following standard public health protocols in times of pandemic is not, ever, "an assault on your freedom." It's expecting you to do your part in a civilized society!
 
@britechguy Yeah, that's fair. But as you've pointed out, doesn't matter much. After all we live in the nation that has an ATF.

Let that sink in... Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

I mean... Isn't that just America in a nutshell?
 
Galdorf said:
This is really getting out hand the number of Americans running around not following the rules in our country i think they need give them max fines.
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These days, the numbers of The Ugly American are at all time highs. And that has been carefully cultivated for almost 50 years now from certain quarters of America. Sad, just sad.
 
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Did you read that article, or just the headline? It has a lot of stats and info, and links to more, that back up what I said about low- and high-risk people. The headline is misleading; you really should read the whole article. I found the link to Britain's NHS site particularly interesting.

Not quite everything it says it true, though; for example, near the bottom it says the mortality rate for Covid is "far higher" than 1%, which is demonstrably false.
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Tell that to her.....

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2...alized-coronavirus-berman-intv-newday-vpx.cnn
 
Galdorf said:
This is really getting out hand the number of Americans running around not following the rules in our country i think they need give them max fines.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/florida-couple-self-isolation-charges-1.5648703
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The nature of fines themselves need changed. Static amounts fall disproportionately on the poor. Swap those fines out for a percentage of income. Now you can hit the rich and the poor alike... and while we're at it get a few Subaru drivers off the roads too.
 
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When you see things like this it makes you wonder if this guy is human.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/politics/brian-kemp-georgia-coronavirus-masks/index.html
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An abject failure, in every sense, but completely predictable from both the physical and political locations Mr. Kemp is from.

I am eternally grateful that Virginia has Ralph Northam, a medical doctor, as governor right now. I shudder to think what would be going on if the likes of Ken Cuccinelli were in office.
 
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@britechguy Imagine our nation lead by actual leaders of industry... instead of the blasted lawyers...
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That would give me very little comfort whatsoever. "Leaders of Industry" tend to be interested in their respective industries above all else.

Not that you said this directly, nor even may have meant to imply it indirectly, but I will say now, unequivocally: Running governments and running businesses are distinctly different skill sets on the whole.

Government is supposed (note: supposed) to be about protecting the citizenry first, which directly implies the need for a strong regulatory hand. That need is clear to anyone who knows the history of this country and big business in particular. While the two are not, and need not be, constantly diametrically opposed, there is a perpetual tension between what leaders of industry want, and what serves the public best.

It's not that I don't think business leaders have much to offer, and particularly in major advisory roles, but that's where I'd prefer them. As much as many sneer about "career politicians" politics is no different than any other career in that learning how to use the tools available to maximum skill requires practice, practice, practice. I don't want newbies to government being in charge of government. And given that government is about "the rule of law," I don't mind people with expertise in same being prominently placed within the government, either. Preferably such that their areas of legal expertise match the job their supposed to be doing.
 
@britechguy If governments were actually concerned about citizens, we'd never have needed labor unions. And we wouldn't have a corrupt police union tearing apart Minneapolis right now. We'd not have a corrupt Teachers Union here in AZ ripping our educational system to shreds. But, I digress.

And I'm not saying you're wrong. But, I'd rather have a government made out of robber barons that actually know how to build things, than a government made out of professional word twisters. The rule of law is important, but there's a difference between the spirit of such, and the letter.
 
@Sky-Knight,

Organized labor would have been quashed, entirely, were it not for government support of same, and laws making the behaviors toward organized labor by the original Robber Barons illegal. Our problem right now is not with unions, but with lack of support for same in a very great many industries where they were once powerful.

And, again, we will have to agree to disagree. Having been born and raised in Western Pennsylvania, home to some of the most (in)famous Robber Barons, and acutely aware of their barbaric ways [which I was trying to allude to in terms of what unconstrained "leaders of industry" typically do], they are the last people I want running government. It would be the absolute, ultimate cartel.
 
@britechguy Back then, our politicians actually worried about their electorate. Today, that's no longer the case, the only people the politicians care about are the donors.

So the elected lawyers are just mouth pieces for the captains of industry. This is the same argument we have over Trump vs Biden. You can choose to be ruled by the Robber Baron, or be ruled by aforementioned Baron's employee... that's a difference without a distinction in terms of freedom and health of our civilization.

Though if Trump's loss can end McCarthyism forever... that'd be nice.
 
Where i live we have 0 cases 0 deaths and 98% people wear masks in public when they can i was at the grocery store everyone was wearing masks we fully opened up here and it will stay that way by looks of it because of masks.

Masks are not mandated here but people respect other peoples health as our population here is largely seniors.
 
Galdorf said:
Where i live we have 0 cases 0 deaths and 98% people wear masks in public when they can i was at the grocery store everyone was wearing masks we fully opened up here and it will stay that way by looks of it because of masks.
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In my county, as of today, there have been a total of 14 cases, 0 deaths, and very few have ever worn a mask, even at the height of the panic. I've never seen more than 5 or 6 masks in a day when I go to town, usually less. Doesn't seem like more masks could've made much difference.

Masks are not mandated here but people respect other peoples health as our population here is largely seniors.
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Everyone respects other people's health; that's why civilized people don't go around coughing and sneezing in others' faces. What I don't get is why so many want to make others responsible for their health, instead of taking responsibility for themselves. If those at higher risk, and anyone else who cares to, would take responsibility for their own health and wear an N100 mask, they'd be safe no matter whether anyone else wore a mask or not. And no one would feel either obligated or justified in trying to guilt and shame others into taking responsibility for them.
 
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