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Galdorf said:
Just look at those numbers of kids testing positive they are using them for testing to see what happens no wonder the US is worst country based on type to handle covid-19 here in Canada it is rare to find that many infected and almost everything here is open.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/10/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html
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Could you clarify your statement. "no wonder the US is worst country based on type to handle covid-19 "

Also this statement. "here in Canada it is rare to find that many infected and almost everything here is open."

Not criticizing , just asking. Thanks
 
River Valley Computer said:
Could you clarify your statement. "no wonder the US is worst country based on type to handle covid-19 "

Also this statement. "here in Canada it is rare to find that many infected and almost everything here is open."

Not criticizing , just asking. Thanks
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Type -Super Power US has more resources than most other countries. Other countries like Thailand have MUCH better control even Canada has handled it much better.

In Canada our numbers are MUCH lower in area where i live we have zero deaths and a handful that tested positive that many positive results would cause a total lock down here as a whole country.

The only thing that is not open here are schools and they are all online atm our movie cinemas are also open although there are no new movies to watch they are showing old stuff atm,
 
Galdorf said:
Type -Super Power US has more resources than most other countries. Other countries like Thailand have MUCH better control even Canada has handled it much better.

In Canada our numbers are MUCH lower in area where i live we have zero deaths and a handful that tested positive that many positive results would cause a total lock down here as a whole country.

The only thing that is not open here are schools and they are all online atm our movie cinemas are also open although there are no new movies to watch they are showing old stuff atm,
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What I am not understanding is you say the US has done nothing - I believe they have. Manufacturing PPE for the US and other countries and we have pretty much pushed wearing masks and many places are closed and many people not doing anything . And you say everything is open. What do you attribute that to? Why did the virus not spread due to things being open?
 
River Valley Computer said:
What I am not understanding is you say the US has done nothing - I believe they have. Manufacturing PPE for the US and other countries and we have pretty much pushed wearing masks and many places are closed and many people not doing anything . And you say everything is open. What do you attribute that to? Why did the virus not spread due to things being open?
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I said everything in Canada is open not US look at our numbers the US did do something but your numbers keep climbing while ours stays about the same with everything in Canada open.
 
Yeah everyone said opening up would be a train wreck... yet look at Arizona. Our numbers spiked, then almost for no reason have been in decline.

If our patterns hold, Texas is about to detonate... but it'll last a month then cool down too.

These patterns aren't all that different than the states that did full lock downs. So I'm left wondering if any of it did any good.
 
Sky-Knight said:
Yeah everyone said opening up would be a train wreck... yet look at Arizona. Our numbers spiked, then almost for no reason have been in decline.

If our patterns hold, Texas is about to detonate... but it'll last a month then cool down too.

These patterns aren't all that different than the states that did full lock downs. So I'm left wondering if any of it did any good.
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There is a right way to open up and a wrong way thing is not to rush everything in Canada opened up at end of June numbers dropped low here and everyone is still wearing masks here had a little spike when we opened but didn't keep climbing.

Schools here will open on September 8 and masks are mandatory as well as social distancing.
Some places in the world that opened did not fair very well:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/20...chools-outbreaks-gotkine-pkg-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn
 
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Galdorf said:
In Canada our numbers are MUCH lower in area where i live we have zero deaths and a handful that tested positive that many positive results would cause a total lock down here as a whole country.
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Sounds like my county: No deaths, and total confirmed positives works out to around 1 in 600 people. Most never wore masks here, even at the height of the panic, and most more or less ignored the lockdown after the first few weeks. I'm still trying to figure out how more masks or locking down could've improved anything.

Galdorf said:
I said everything in Canada is open not US look at our numbers the US did do something but your numbers keep climbing while ours stays about the same with everything in Canada open.
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It doesn't really work to compare Canada to the US as a whole, because every state did something different. In deaths per million, you're a bit under half the US overall, but there are many states doing better than Canada. I think you'd find it useful to compare Canada to individual states, paying special attention to two groups: (1) those states you think did enough restrictions, and (2) those you think didn't do enough. Then let us know whether each of those two groups tends to be better than average, or worse, in deaths per million.

By the way, I know this has been said before, but it can be difficult to decode what you're saying because you don't use any punctuation. It would be very helpful if you'd use the occasional period or comma.
 
Sky-Knight said:
If our patterns hold, Texas is about to detonate
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I've been hearing that for months, but it hasn't shown up in the numbers yet. When, exactly, is this supposed to happen? At the moment Texas is around 60% of the US average in deaths per million, so whatever they're doing seems to be working fairly well.
 
Not that being below average in deaths isn't important, it is, but much of that can be attributed to good medical care.

It's the infection rate I care about, and Texas has been a hotspot for some time now, and shows no signs of slowing down. From where I sit, its infection rate had already detonated.
 
Have you seen the pictures of schools it was business as usual no masks no social distancing that is the wrong way to do it.


The nurse working at the school quit because of the lack of precautions.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/us/north-paulding-high-school-coronavirus-cases/index.html

this is the right way.

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In Canada social distancing and masks will be enforced the plans have already been drafted stickers on floors for social distancing teachers have taken training for this.

https://www.sciencealert.com/new-zealand-reaches-100-day-milestone-without-virus-transmission
 
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britechguy said:
It's the infection rate I care about, and Texas has been a hotspot for some time now, and shows no signs of slowing down. From where I sit, its infection rate had already detonated.
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Still not seeing it; not because I refuse to, as you've said in the past, but because the numbers show otherwise. Texas is about 12% over the US average in confirmed cases per million, and still at about 60% of the US average death rate, and it looks like both are trending down now, just like in most other places. Hardly a hotspot.

Regarding infections being more important that deaths, don't you remember what they told us when this all started? "We're all going to be infected at some point and there's nothing we can do about that, it's how viruses work, and the epidemic won't be over until most of us have been. We just need to flatten the curve for a few weeks so we're not all infected at once." And here we are, 5 or so months later, and somehow the goal has morphed into keeping everyone from being infected, which of course keeps the epidemic going indefinitely.
 
At the outset, it was not known just how high the death rate among the infected would turn out to be. In certain demographics, but more than the originally thought demographics, the death rate if infected is much higher than had been predicted.

In fluid situations, things change as more becomes known. Even I said, and on this forum on several occasions, pretty much what you have above in the "don't you remember" paragraph. I was wrong, and incoming data showed that I was wrong.

Well when events change, I change my mind. What do you do?
~ Paul Samuelson, winner of the 1970 Nobel Prize in Economics
 
For those that thought I would for sure get covid, because I was in the "at risk" group, not sure what that means....I got sick last Friday, I have been wearing a mask when I go out in public. I decided to get a test on Wed because I had the symptoms. I called my Dr on Friday, a week later...she said to just rest. I got my results today and guess what? You can live in FL and just still be normal sick lol. upload_2020-8-16_1-14-21.png
 
Yeah, one of the largest issues with COVID19 is the fact that its early symptoms are identical to many other viral infections we've all had 100 times.

Then if you're one of the unlucky ones that degrades quickly, you may not have time to think to dial 911 before your lungs shut down.

And all of this... ALL of this...

And we still don't know if getting over it makes you immune or not.

As for getting the virus in your food... COOK IT FIRST and you're fine. No sushi...
 
What is interesting is New Zealand had only a five week VERY strict lock down and never had a case for 100 days.
They open most things up they think they have found the cause travelers from other countries that were quarantined at state facility they caught on security camera sneaking out to go shopping they tested positive by the way.
 
It's not interesting at all New Zealand is xenophobic at the best of times, and has a handful of people living on a tiny but very beautiful island.

This pattern is expected with them.
 
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