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Ron Paul is an OB/GYN and General Surgeon.
Rand Paul is an EYE doctor.

Yes, they are more qualified to have an opinion than a lay person on COVID, but they are NOT qualified to have an opinion on COVID above and beyond the dedicated virologists and epidemiologists working on the subject. Infectious disease control, like anything else is a specialty.

Just like there's a difference between a programming and a sys admin. Despite the fact that the market tends to want both to do each others jobs from time to time.

But this is one thing I don't mind that Trump did. He left the problem up to the States to solve, and that's exactly how our Federal system was intended to work on such things. Now... my governor made some mistakes I'm going to hold against him in Nov.

The consistency of the global response really isn't all that bonkers, it's a generic infectious agent control plan. It was never intended to be in operation this long, but we've also never contained anything this infectious before too. So yeah we did all this stuff, and it did help, but we won't know for ten years at least just how much it did. The only thing for certain now is, it did too little. At very least it feels like it did too little.
 
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He left the problem up to the States to solve, and that's exactly how our Federal system was intended to work on such things.

We'll have to disagree on this single point. A strong federal response would have been a far, far better thing in a situation such as a pandemic, but was actively avoided due to ideology, nothing else.

If ever there were something that required a centralized, federalized response, this was it. Alas . . .
 
Well seems you can get covid-19 more than once bad for vaccines as protection is short lived 4-5 months in some people.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/24/health/covid-19-reinfection-hong-kong-study/index.html

Canada federal response to covid-19 was far better than US they covered self employed $2000 a month as well as rent relief and help with utilities as well as wage subsity it was done very quickly most small businesses in US will go out of business if things don`t improve.

Frontline workers also got hazard pay as well so there was no shortage of workers.

In Canada we are on stage 4 of 100% full opening of everything and looks like everything going back to normal soon.
 
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In Canada we are on stage 4 of 100% full opening of everything and looks like everything going back to normal soon.

I would not be holding my breath on that count. There is enough evidence already that several places that had very strict controls early in the pandemic are having repeat outbreaks (though limited, as action to limit same is being taken very quickly) during their attempts to "go back to normal."
 
On a related (viral) note, I think this should be headline news. It's an incredible achievement and an absolute credit to all those who have worked hard to rid Africa of the Poliovirus, many of whom were tragically killed while trying to help.

Coronavirus 'anti-vaxxers' should take note.

Africa declared free of wild polio in 'milestone'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53887947

The vaccination campaign in Nigeria involved a huge effort to reach remote and dangerous places under threat from militant violence and some health workers were killed in the process.

More than two million people have been displaced by the fighting. Frontline workers, 95% of whom were women, managed to navigate areas of conflict like Lake Chad by boat and deliver vaccines to remote communities.

Widespread rumours and misinformation about the vaccine have also slowed down immunisation efforts.

In 2003, Kano and a number of other northern states suspended immunisations following reports by Muslim religious leaders that the vaccine was contaminated with an anti-fertility agent as part of an American plot to make Muslim women infertile. Laboratory tests by Nigerian scientists dismissed the accusations.

Vaccine campaigns resumed the following year, but the rumours persisted. In 2013 nine female polio vaccinators were killed in two shootings thought to be carried out by Boko Haram at health centres in Kano.

It has taken decades to achieve eradication and overcome suspicion around the vaccine.
 
On a related (viral) note, I think this should be headline news.

Well, it was, depending on who was writing the headlines!

But you're absolutely correct, as this is a major triumph not unlike the elimination of smallpox (from anywhere outside labs containing specimens) from the surface of the earth.

Vaccination/innoculation has been one of the greatest public health, and technology/scientific discovery, successes ever known to humankind. The amount of suffering and death that vaccination has prevented is incalculable.
 
Almost everything here in Canada is open only schools and large sport events are closed so far its going good cases have not gone up they have been spending all that time setting up schools for social distancing training teachers covid safety practices and installing UV lamps in the air ducts as well the federal government is giving provinces 2 Billion for schools .

In the US that's a totally different story esp in Florida they had no plans whatsoever nurses and teachers quit to lack of state guidelines as well as local and CDC guidelines.

Even a judge declared that there was a lack of safety precautions and ruled against the governor

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...nt-force-all-schools-to-reopen-amid-pandemic/

In other countries like Taiwan schools have been open for quite some time without any large spikes very strict guidelines have to be followed.

Sounds like more government interference with CDC all of a sudden they change policies on testing this is just unacceptable behavior and will lead to more outbreaks.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/08/26/cdc-guidelines-coronavirus-testing-cohen-newday-vpx.cnn
 
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Bad news for herd immunity it only lasts 4-5 months cases of re-infection starting to pop up all around world.
https://www.sciencealert.com/lab-confirms-first-case-of-coronavirus-reinfection-in-the-us

The economy took a hard hit even though federal government gave $2000 month to self employed as well as 75% rent relief and 75% payroll relief as well as utilities relief many businesses still have gone out of business even a few of my competition has gone out of business.
 
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True, but those reinfected have not been symptomatic, at least based on the reports I've read so far. Even if one can be reinfected, it seems like reinfection for those who've had it is much more of a non-issue than for those that haven't. And I'd presume, if that pattern holds, that the same effect will be true for those immunized.

Humans are infected again and again with all sorts of pathogens. It's a question of what that reinfection results in, health-wise.
 
True, but those reinfected have not been symptomatic, at least based on the reports I've read so far. Even if one can be reinfected, it seems like reinfection for those who've had it is much more of a non-issue than for those that haven't. And I'd presume, if that pattern holds, that the same effect will be true for those immunized.

Humans are infected again and again with all sorts of pathogens. It's a question of what that reinfection results in, health-wise.

According to some studies it is a different mutation since it is not identical to the first you have limited immunity to it.
 
cases of re-infection starting to pop up all around world.
Just to keep that in perspective, the article says there have been 4 known cases of reinfection. That's 4, worldwide, this year. When it's 4 million, it might be getting somewhere within range of statistical significance.
 
Now places are shutting down again on other side of the globe as winter starts i don`t think my business can survive another shutdown it just started to get back to normal range my other competition is gone they moved from store fronts to home i might have to resort to that but that would be my last resort.

I can`t imagine restaurants with no takeout would fair with another 3 month shutdown i have seen dozens go bankrupt already and shutdown.

Even if it is roadside still no good when it changed to roadside business was so slow it did not even pay the hydro bill guess i could retire if this is going to become the norm.
 
Both Trump and his wife test positive for covid-19 and the economy here seems to be tanking most of the computer stores are gone as well as alot of other businesses just this week over a dozen have closed never seen it this bad and people i know have been laid off things don`t look good as Ontario may go back into a lock down again as number climb.
 
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People need to keep masking and distancing until the virus is DEAD in their respective areas. And they need to keep that junk on if they work in places that expose themselves to people out of town. That reality is going to stick for probably another TWO YEARS.

But here in AZ we're sending kids back to school next week full time... I can't keep my wife out of the gym. And my business is in the tank, with potential clients that think I'm an idiot. Either because I'm wearing a mask, or because I have the audacity to want to actually try and work.

Strange times... very strange times.
 
I seen the event that caused the spread most had no masks no social distancing now hundreds are infected from that one event how irresponsible they are getting reports of large numbers including white house staff.

They need to start fining people who break state law otherwise there will be mass spread where i live if there was an event like that they would fine each person 10k and serve jail time the organizer would get fined 100k.

And trump campaign adviser says nothing is going to change after what happened no masks no social distancing at rallies.
Now trump is running around the white house claiming there is nothing to fear from covid-19 just shows he has a low iq only an idiot would do such a thing.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/10/06/donald-trump-coronavirus-cuomo-sot-vpx-cpt.cnn

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/white-house-contact-tracing/index.html

According to doctors one of the side effects of the medication trump is taking is that it causes unstable behavior his son has been trying to get him back into the hospital.

behavioral effects of corticosteroids are not uncommon. According to a review article published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings, studies have found that between 1.8% to 57% of patients who have received corticosteroids had “adverse psychiatric reactions.” They’ve ranged from subtle mood changes to “frank psychosis.”

No normal human in his right mind would go back to work after just being infected by covid-19 but trump is back in the oval office spreading his viral load as we speak putting peoples lives at risk.
 
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Looks like we are headed for disaster Canada does not want to shut down schools and businesses because of economic reasons most of the infections in my area have been traced to schools what is really disturbing is that schools remain open even after 4 dozen test positive.

Infection rates age bracket are 20-30 90% can be traced to college or universities and parties held due to that looks like we are headed to a total shutdown not just here but world wide.

There is a new strain of covid-19 with a gene that has the ability to slip by t-cells thus bypassing any immunity that may have been built up or any vaccine that has been in testing.

Some of the genetic research done recently leads them to believe that it is indeed man made and that specific set of genes could have never been created in nature.
 
@Galdorf It's not man made, but it is an RNA virus. The idea that we could make a vaccine for it was at best limited to something like the Flu vaccine, where you have to get a booster shot every year. SARS-CoV-2 may requires us all to get shots twice a year...

The first of these vaccines for the US will be available to for emergency cases just before Christmas if patterns hold. That will help, but we really do need people to stop being stupid if we want to stop this thing. No vaccine is going to be universally effective, and RNA viruses are notorious for rapidly mutating to get around barriers.

The only good news is that the younger variants of the virus seem to be less deadly. So I'm rather hoping eventually this threat just turns back into a normal cold and we can all forget about it.

Could not have been created in nature... that's a statement that needs a *CITATION NEEDED* if I ever saw one...
 
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