Non-computer Corona virus thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
@Computer Bloke, you're taking that the wrong way, but the word choice on my part was very poor. I didn't mean to imply New Zealand oppresses others in any way, if they do I have no evidence of that. What I was referring to was the strength of your border security, and the limited access you provide non-citizens to your country.

New Zealand has a lid on itself, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just pointing out that protectionism has rightly protected you from the pandemic. If the US could have done the same, we'd be in better shape too. But it's a ton harder for us to do that for a whole horde of reasons.

So yeah, xenophobic is the wrong word, protectionist or even isolationist would have been much better. That's on me. All I meant to point out was that due to your historical foreign policies and trade controls, one should expect New Zealand to do well in a pandemic.
 
Wow people want to party as soon as covid-19 numbers go down just look at this and then they wonder why they have close again LOL.

200818130226-01-wuhan-water-park-1808-exlarge-169.jpg


200818130403-04-wuhan-water-park-1808-exlarge-169.jpg



https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/18/asia/wuhan-water-park-party-intl-hnk/index.html
 
Looks like people the world over are equally willfully stupid when it comes to following any reasonable guidelines that make them have to delay gratification!
 
britechguy said:
Looks like people the world over are equally willfully stupid when it comes to following any reasonable guidelines that make them have to delay gratification!
Click to expand...
Or, maybe they just looked at the data and determined the risk is over:

worldometers_china_deaths_2020-08-18.jpg

@Galdorf, it seems like most (maybe all) the links you post about Covid are from CNN. You might be able to lower your stress level a bit if you find some more data-driven, less alarmist sources for your information.
 
britechguy said:
Anyone who thinks the risk is over isn't looking at data. Reduced somewhat in some places, gone in none.
Click to expand...
Is the Worldometers graph I posted not showing up for you for some reason? No matter; you can see it on the page linked below.

The data says China currently has 595 active cases, 27 of them "serious or critical"; that's in a country of 1.4 billion people. Even the CNN article points out Wuhan hasn't had any new cases since mid-May.

Here's a link to Worldometers' coronavirus page for China, in case you want to actually look at some data yourself for a change, instead of just saying you do and then going with the alarmist hype:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/
 
I'm sorry if I don't believe the "official reports" out of China. I also know how pandemics work, and what's going on here and elsewhere in the world. Letting our guard down now is stupid - period - end of sentence.

Addendum: And if I'm going to pick data sources, one of the first ones I'd choose is the World Health Organization's Coronavirus Disease Situation Dashboard. China's nowhere near to completely out of the woods. There is nowhere at the moment where it's reasonable and sound public health policy to allow mass gatherings without (or even with) personal protective equipment.
 
Last edited:
There are now many reports of human to animal transmission of covid-19 and animal to human transmission around the world it seems they want to keep it out of the news.
As far as reports you can't trust any now that the governments of the world want to control the information to benefit them and will keep the public oblivious to whats really going on.
 
Galdorf said:
There are now many reports of human to animal transmission of covid-19 and animal to human transmission around the world it seems they want to keep it out of the news.
As far as reports you can't trust any now that the governments of the world want to control the information to benefit them and will keep the public oblivious to whats really going on.
Click to expand...

There are a very, very few limited reports of any domestic animals being confirmed positive for Covid-19.

And with regard to "governments of the world," please, let's not step into conspiracy theory territory - which you're skirting very closely. There are a number of governments with a long track record of tightly controlling both information and their citizenry, and there are others that historically have not and do not. That doesn't seem to be changing very much right now on the whole.
 
britechguy said:
There are a very, very few limited reports of any domestic animals being confirmed positive for Covid-19.

And with regard to "governments of the world," please, let's not step into conspiracy theory territory - which you're skirting very closely. There are a number of governments with a long track record of tightly controlling both information and their citizenry, and there are others that historically have not and do not. That doesn't seem to be changing very much right now on the whole.
Click to expand...


https://arstechnica.com/science/202...-us-mink-farms-unusually-larger-numbers-dead/
 
Yes, and? Two mink farms (which involve domestically raised wild animals) certainly doesn't constitute "widespread." There's been a single pet dog (that I know of) reported to have tested positive, too, and actually recovered. That's not widespread either.

Two farms is "very, very limited" in my book.

There will, no doubt, be increasing reports of animal infection now that it's known about and testing will likely become more common. But it's way too early to make any predictions about transmission and communicability among animals.

I'm really not all that worried beyond the concern I've already had, as we can do nothing beyond taking reasonable and recommended precautions regardless of what the vectors of transmission might be. Those are primarily mask-wearing and hand washing/sanitizing on a frequent basis.

I just hope that one or more of the vaccines proves to be safe and effective and production can be ramped-up sufficiently that those who believe in science can actually get one as soon as possible. The anti-vaxxers are hopeless and, I hope, not successful in spreading their nonsense any further than they have already.
 
britechguy said:
Yes, and? Two mink farms (which involve domestically raised wild animals) certainly doesn't constitute "widespread." There's been a single pet dog (that I know of) reported to have tested positive, too, and actually recovered. That's not widespread either.

Two farms is "very, very limited" in my book.

There will, no doubt, be increasing reports of animal infection now that it's known about and testing will likely become more common. But it's way too early to make any predictions about transmission and communicability among animals.

I'm really not all that worried beyond the concern I've already had, as we can do nothing beyond taking reasonable and recommended precautions regardless of what the vectors of transmission might be. Those are primarily mask-wearing and hand washing/sanitizing on a frequent basis.

I just hope that one or more of the vaccines proves to be safe and effective and production can be ramped-up sufficiently that those who believe in science can actually get one as soon as possible. The anti-vaxxers are hopeless and, I hope, not successful in spreading their nonsense any further than they have already.
Click to expand...

I can post hundreds of links about animals in zoos that have tested positive as well as wild animals and farms in areas around the world.

BTW its more than just 2 mink farms more than 3 dozen farms around the world have culled more than 1 million mink.

i will just post 1 link i have found 100`s from farms all around world the animal to human transmission in farms can have a large impact esp if it hits livestock then workers as well as tainted food which has now has been detected from Brazil pigs are very susceptible.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/17...l-90-000-mink-after-farmworkers-test-positive
 
Last edited:
Galdorf said:
I can post hundreds of links about animals in zoos that have tested positive as well as wild animals in areas around the world.
Click to expand...

So could I. Such as this one, from the New York Times, Coronavirus Strikes Mink in Utah. Virtually none of them hyperventilate about the situation, as it's known that animals, both domestic and wild, can carry coronavirus. What on earth is it that you think we should be doing about that?

I'm way more worried about the fact that there are too many humans who are not taking human-to-human transmission seriously. Everyone should have the degree of insight shown in this quotation:

Americans must hold the humanity of strangers above their individual right to sit in a bar, demand in-school instruction or ignore mask mandates.
~ Maryellen Donnellan

My individual right to do many things I would typically do simply are not, in any way, equal to the rights of others to avoid contracting this illness.

It comes back to one should worry about controlling what one can actually control, and not focusing on things that one cannot control in any way, shape, or form.
 
Woo, hoo - Now there's an unbiased source!! Let's use Patrick Henry University and Liberty University, too, while we're at it, for more unbiased input. Imprimis is the very definition of "having a very specific ideology."

As one observer so aptly put it, " A college that insists on having a large, in-person graduation during a pandemic. Need one say more than selfish crackpots?"

And the press coverage about same says all that needs to be said: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hillsdale+College+2020+graduation

As for me and my house, we'll go for science-based viewpoints which, at this juncture, are not "neutral" because the facts indicate what we should be doing, but far too many aren't.

Again:
Americans must hold the humanity of strangers above their individual right to sit in a bar, demand in-school instruction or ignore mask mandates.
~ Maryellen Donnellan
 
britechguy said:
Woo, hoo - Now there's an unbiased source!!
Click to expand...

As opposed to the sources you like, which of course are completely unbiased. :rolleyes: Apparently it's only the sources you don't like that are biased.

As one observer so aptly put it, " A college that insists on having a large, in-person graduation during a pandemic. Need one say more than selfish crackpots?"
Click to expand...

If your position is so weak that you have to resort to ad hominem attacks, it's probably best not to say anything at all. It makes it obvious to everyone that your position can't be supported, and that the position you're attacking is strong enough that it should at least be carefully examined before being written off.
 
Don`t forget how this all started animal to human now if millions of farms become infected just imagine what would happen i lived on a farm there is lots of contact with animals if it gets into the food chain say pigs pork would be contaminated you can`t test every pig at slaughter once you handle the meat there is a chance of transfer.

As with humans some animals may not show symptoms and infect more of their kind or to the farmers-helpers or even butcher and then to plant workers imagine this on a world scale of millions of farms.

Also many farms there are migrant workers that work at multiple farms you see where i am going here even more vectors to spread to the population where they work at a mink farm but also work at the pig farm down the road.
 
I'm no longer going to play the "what if" game, as "what will" reveals itself plenty fast enough in real time these days.

I can't, and won't, walk around in a hazmat suit or expect that others will, either. Reasonable precautions are enough, and if those become more restrictive, or less, based on what is observed I'll adjust accordingly.

Even I am willing to admit, openly, that you can't have a comprehensive and 100% effective plan to avert a pandemic of the nature of Covid-19.
 
R0 value over 2.5... we've never stopped...

This R0 value is 4.9.

And we SLOWED IT DOWN! I realize that's not enough... but it still represent significant progress in controlling an infectious agent on the part of civilization.

So yay humanity! Also... CRAP we still have this mess to clean up.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top