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had a laptop in that would not connect to the internet, wireless picks up a signal but won#t connect and wired doesnt do anything.
Network and sharing centre reports dependancies or group that failed to start (but doesnt mention which one) so we pull the drive virus check it and checkdisk, it found 3 virus and removed and checkdisk brings up nothing and still the issue remains.

So off we go into the services menu where I fond 4 services which have failed to read a dexcription and also cannot "do" anything with them, using the registry I navigate to the 4 files and find that 3 of them are 0 bytes and 1 just seems ok, replace them all from a working copy of VISTA and still one of them wont start properly, so we run sfc /scannow and VOILA net connection restored.

Although at this point I notice that the computer boots increcibly slowly, so i disable a few startup services/programs and its a lot better.

Windows then wants to install some updates and I let it, only now the system won't boot, I just get a black screen and safe mode gives me a black screen and a cursor which i can move around.

System restore sorts me out though but on reboot i notice a message about compressing registry before windows has loaded but after the windows loading screen. damn thing won't boot again so it's another system restore and its working fine, only this time I press escape to skip the registry compression. I uninstall "system mechanic" and its all good to boots fine etc.


That was yesterday.

Come today thought I would just double check it before i give it back to customer, its all booting fine etc then windows updates pop up again so I think back to yesterday and the non booting issue I create a restore pooint then let windows shut down and install updates.

Sure enough it wont boot again, windows startup repair won't work either, nor will my system restore point. grrrr

After messing around with a few things for a while I finally get it to boot again with an earlier system restore point but it is not stable now, it boots and reboots fine, but I cannot uninstall system mechanic this time and this program is asking to compress the registry every boot now, and if I let it I know i'll lose windows again.

So I download and reinstall a fresh copy of system mechanic, just to replace the missing file so that I can uninstall it. done
Reboot, NO WINDOWS AGAIN AAAARRRGHHHHH

System restore time then, system mechanic has deleted all the restore point except one and this one does not work, it says restore complete but I am back to my black screen issue.

I have tried fiixing the MBR, although successful does not work
fixboot does not work wont let me fix it
Replacing registry from command line to a previous version, this does not work either but the compress registry prompt is back again.

I was ready to charge the customer for 2 and a half hours labour at the end of yesterday, I have been doing this job today inbetween other things I am probably down another 2 hours again and now I have a non-booting laptop that was working fine (apart from network issue and being very slow) when it came in.


What is my next port of call ?
 
My gut reaction is what both replies above say...
New drive...fresh install.

This will end up being one of those computers that keeps coming back to you over time with really weird issues.
 
Sounds like you got it rough on this one.

Which Virus/Malware scanners did you run?

I'm not picking apart your work or telling you how to proceed, but I see some procedural issues that may have exacerbated the situation. I know this because I am guilty of the same procedures at one time or another.

Personally, I DO NOT USE RESTORE POINTS unless it is one I personally created. The reason being is that System Restore does not restore "Everything", it is selective, and has a high probability of damaging things further, even when viruses aren't at play. This guy sums it up pretty good.. so that I don't have to type it all :D

http://www.pcworld.com/article/160858/what_exactly_does_system_restore_back_up.html
It's best to see System Restore as an imperfect system whose main advantage is that it's there and creates its backups automatically. When it works (and there's no guarantee of that), it does a pretty good job protecting Windows, a mediocre one on your applications, and leaves your data alone.

Then, going further.. viruses like to mess with System Restore and/or drop files in older/all current system restore points.
So, for an *unknown machine*, I never use System Restore.



I also do not do ANY UPDATES before the system is functioning correctly; doesn't seem like a virus issue, and scans have run and found only small infection/Tracking Cookies. When updates go south, they can slam the system hard simply because Windows Update is run as Administrator and can pretty much do whatever it wants... so if a virus has it's hooks in it, then what?

Next, after seeing that System Mechanic was installed, I would have immediately uninstalled it with IOBit Uninstaller 2.1 or similar.. this way you can uninstall it even if the Windows Uninstaller failed.

Just for laughs.. read the 75 reviews (1.5 Stars) on Amazon that complain about it... It's malware crap to me.. should be illegal to sell. http://www.amazon.com/iolo-System-M...=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1


Anyways, here's what I generally do (depends on the situation of course):

D7 Automates most of this for me now (Recommended):

1. Check sysconfig, task manager, startups, Windows logs, etc.
2. Malware/Virus Scans back to back, no restarts in between... (D7 yay!)
3. When clean, start removing known Adware/Useless/crappy programs and junk
4. Install Windows updates, and when done, update 3rd party high priority apps like Java and flash.
5. After all that I install Avast! and run a boot-time scan

Any hiccups along the way are taken very seriously, and are fixed before proceeding to the next main step... WE know how it is supposed to work and when something is broken. It's hard to build upon an unstable base.
 
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