Remote monitoring and access

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Hi all,

I am able to spend less time on-site with my clients and am looking for a good solution for remote monitoring and control of their computers/server. I'd like the ability to set up different kinds of monitoring and have the option to jump into remote access whenever the need arises. Can anyone suggest some good options out there for this? What have you guys done in this case or what have you been using?

Many thanks
 
How many client systems are you talking about? Do you want monitoring, patching, AV, etc. or just remote access?

I think the main systems people on technibble are using are SolarWinds former MaxFocus, SolarWinds N-able, and Kabuto+something for remote access. Over on reddit you'll find more Connectwise and Autotask.

If you're just looking for remote access for fixes, there are additional options including things like Instant Housecall with some repair tools built in.
 
How many client systems are you talking about? Do you want monitoring, patching, AV, etc. or just remote access?

I think the main systems people on technibble are using are SolarWinds former MaxFocus, SolarWinds N-able, and Kabuto+something for remote access. Over on reddit you'll find more Connectwise and Autotask.

If you're just looking for remote access for fixes, there are additional options including things like Instant Housecall with some repair tools built in.

Not a lot of systems. Basically 6-8 workstations, a few printers, a server, access points, and some switches.

As for monitoring, all the above.
 
OK, at that level I'm actually going to suggest looking into SimpleHelp, which a few people here use but not many. It's a one-time fee (with cheap upgrades after the first year). It's capped at 40 remotes per simultaneous session I believe, so it's not always a great fit for folks with more remote systems they're monitoring. It also has a remote management piece that you can add on, but no patching, AV, etc. and it may not be the best choice.

For the monitoring side of things, the Kabuto free tier seems like it might fit, but with the monitoring (and maybe AV) add-ons. At your size, that's still under $5/month total for the monitoring and patching, plus another ~$4/month for each system you can remote into ($320 for SimpleHelp / 8 systems / 12 months). So total less than $400 for the first year, and less than $150 for each following year at that size.

There may also be some other remote support options that are a better fit, I haven't kept track but some of the ones that were one-time or yearly pricing have changed over to monthly plans that end up being more expensive.

Caveat: I don't actually use any of the stuff I'm suggesting here, we have enough endpoints that the Solarwinds products make sense for us.
 
Not a lot of systems. Basically 6-8 workstations, a few printers, a server, access points, and some switches.

As for monitoring, all the above.

Is this just 1x network? Or an example of a few networks you need to monitor?
What is your goal over time...grow and get more business clients to manage?

IMO, a good "RMM" is what you want to get. You have your basic/entry level ones, your medium ones with a few more features, and higher price, and your more matured and full features ones, again..with an even higher price.

The features vary from RMM to RMM, and of course the "big names" that are more matured and come with a higher price, give you more, if not all, of those features.
Features such as:
*Remote access to the PC..and the better ones give you several different methods built in. Some of them have advanced remote support features...in addition to just desktop console access. IMO those advanced remote support/troubleshooting/techie features are important.
*Inventory/asset tracking. Detailed inventory of hardware and software...you can drill into 1x particular PC and see instant details, or...products reports per client site. Including things such as warranty expiration...important for producing budgets and replacement cycles for clients
*Integrated antivirus. Typically your highest profit with antivirus is through your RMM, your cost is typically lower than even if you're in a high margin reseller status with some brand. License tracking, changing licenses, lack of dealing with renewals...all of this equals the least time spend by you in deploying and managing antivirus. So combined with lowest cost to you..this is a no brainer to be your highest profit way of reselling antivirus
*Patch management....keep Windows and 3rd party apps including web players (like java, adobe stuff, etc)...up to date.
*Ease of deployment. Most of the bigger packages have what is called a "probe"...you install it on 1x computer...typically a server...and let it run for a period..it discovers the whole network and pushed agents out to workstations (using domain admin credentials for example). Come back the next day and you have the clients entire network inventories, agents installed, ready to do what you need.
*Automated deployment of software, scripting
*Good monitoring of other devices such as edge devices (firewalls), VPN tunnels, etc
*Good alerting/notification...such as disks getting above 85% full, or VPN tunnels down, or and Exchange service down, or printer ink low
*Maintenance windows...programmed automated tasks that get done during predetermined times.
*Built in backup
*A bunch of free agents to install on all clients of yours, even if not MSP, so you can at least remote in, inventory/asset them with basic features.

A good RMM saves you sooooo much time. Yes there's the learning curve when getting one, but once you get comfy with it, things get sooo much easier for you. There is a "value" to you in that you have more free time to do other things, like....get more clients...because you can handle more now!

Back about 10 years ago, my colleague and I felt quite "flat out"..maxed out with the clients we could handle. We had been doing "MSP" for a long...long time, having fixed monthly clients. But we were doing it the old fashioned way, many things by hand....VPN tunnel to their network, UltraVNC or RDP to servers and workstations, manually doing Microsoft and other updates, stuff like that.

Back then we looked at several RMMs...had their sales reps do their demos for them,...and we went with N-Able....getting our own N-Central server in our office. Back then N-Able was very expensive, a high "initial buy-in"...but it was easy for us, as we already had a ton of MSP clients....so we rolled them into it easily and it started pay for itself and more right away. Freeing up soooo much time we had previously spent doing things the old fashioned manual way.

With N-Able (which was high end) being bought up by Solarwinds..and then Solarwinds buying up GFI/Max...(which was around mid-range)...pricing has changed as the products merge. The initial buy-in is much lower now, more affordable for new/startups.

One thing to consider...I see a lot of techs balk at the price of a good RMM, and they'll go for a less expensive RMM. But then since that less expensive RMM is has less features, if they want to do too antivirus, good patch management, and backup, or even other "remote support" products,...they end up going and paying for additional 3rd party ones of those. So..at the end of the day, $ for an RMM, plus $ for an AV, plus $ for a patcher like patchmypc or ninite pro, plus...plus...what is your sum spent? MORE than just spending the money on a good RMM in the first place!

Or some will say.."Well...I don't want to spend the money on a good one YET...so I'll get a cheaper one now..and then a few years down the road..upgrade. Honestly..it's tough to upgrade/swap products down the road, once you have momentum going with existing products in a bunch of clients. Your "change RMM and other tools" time spend is volunteer time...so it costs you a lot at the end of the day.

We started with a good one, freeing up so much time and beefing up our profits..that we went from a 3 person group back then about 12 years ago, around 300k a year income, to 5 people now and over 3 times the annual....and growing a lot this year.
 
IMO, a good "RMM" is what you want to get. You have your basic/entry level ones, your medium ones with a few more features, and higher price, and your more matured and full features ones, again..with an even higher price.

The features vary from RMM to RMM, and of course the "big names" that are more matured and come with a higher price, give you more, if not all, of those features.
Features such as:
*Remote access to the PC..and the better ones
All good valid points, but at the same time jumping in at the deepend is not for everyone.
Starting out with an expensive RMM/MSP solution that has a high cost entry and then trying to push that to clients who can't or won't pay the monthly costs is going to end in tears.
By the time you do round up enough clients who will pay, your pockets will be very empty for a long time while you recoup those initial costs.
Sure, there are companies that can wear the initial cost for a time until they build their client base, but for "One-man-shops" it's impractical and costly (read expensive) and you may never see that ROI.
This is why Kabuto has been so popular, as it gives a good range of basic/semi advanced options for someone testing the MSP/RMM market.
In the time that I've been using Kabuto, it has grown in leaps and bounds. It is by no means a full MSP package, but then it's not supposed to be.
It is maturing nicely though, as new features are added. For me it is very cost effective and gives me a great ROI.
 
Starting out with an expensive RMM/MSP solution that has a high cost entry and then trying to push that to clients who can't or won't pay the monthly costs is going to end in tears.
By the time you do round up enough clients who will pay, your pockets will be very empty for a long time while you recoup those initial costs.
Sure, there are companies that can wear the initial cost for a time until they build their client base, but for "One-man-shops" it's impractical and costly (read expensive) and you may never see that ROI..

With some bigger RMMs lowering their initial buy-in point in recent years as competition between RMMs ramps up..it's getting easier. "Pay as you go" has become common. If you just need say...25 nodes...and you buy...25 nodes...how are you drilling a hole in the ground for yourself? If you have the clients, purchase a good product to manage those clients. The days of "having to buy a thousand nodes..and filling them in" is gone.
 
Which ones allow that kind of low-end startups? I've gotten the feeling that for N-Able at least you're going to need to be in the $500/month range for them to take you seriously, and last time I heard much about Max pricing I think they had a $50/month base fee, plus per workstation charges separate from that.

I admit I haven't really ever looked at Ninja or Atera, though they get mentioned on here periodically. Looks like Atera with integrated remote is at least $80/month per tech for RMM, which is actually not bad. Ninja appears to have been bitten by the "let marketing pay a lot for a website, and have people call for pricing so we can sell to them" bug, and I'm not sure I like what I read as "Features [we've decided] you need, none [we've decided] you don't."
 
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I've been using N-Able for about a 1 1/2 years and have found it much easier then Labtech was and more powerful then MaxFocus so you could say a happy medium. When I signed up you had a $500/month minimum but you could split it across workstation/server/network/backup licenses. I also received 1000 free agent licenses along with the 1st year you get your AV licenses for free then you start paying for them. The only downside is unlike MaxFocus and along those lines they are pay as you go licenses were N-Able/Labtech/etc you buy blocks of licenses so I try to keep the levels close and as I need to go up I contact my rep for more.
 
With some bigger RMMs lowering their initial buy-in point in recent years as competition between RMMs ramps up..it's getting easier. "Pay as you go" has become common. If you just need say...25 nodes...and you buy...25 nodes...how are you drilling a hole in the ground for yourself? If you have the clients, purchase a good product to manage those clients. The days of "having to buy a thousand nodes..and filling them in" is gone.
I learn every day and being able to purchase 25 "nodes" is great but then I would have to sell them. This is where the problem starts as trying to get $25 + p/m for managed services would be almost impossible here! Trying to get $4 p/m is hard enough!
The last time I was contacted by n-Able, they had a 500 seat minimum plus a monthly "access" fee of $450 Plus a "platform fee?" of $50 p/m before tax.
Max Focus also offered a 50% discount on branding reduced to only $515!
For Servers was $14.95 /pm and workstations $1.50 p/m for patch management, $1.50 for web protection and $1.50 for av before tax.
Worked out pretty expensive for me.
 
The weird thing with N-Able is that I still hear to this day that some people are given the $500 min. but I was put on a pay as you go plan. I pay about $100/month for MSP Anywhere, 20 essentials licenses, 9 third party and windows patch manager licenses, 4 Pro desktop licenses, 4 security manager licenses and a hosting surcharge.
 
I learn every day and being able to purchase 25 "nodes" is great but then I would have to sell them. This is where the problem starts as trying to get $25 + p/m for managed services would be almost impossible here! Trying to get $4 p/m is hard enough!
The last time I was contacted by n-Able, they had a 500 seat minimum plus a monthly "access" fee of $450 Plus a "platform fee?" of $50 p/m before tax.
Max Focus also offered a 50% discount on branding reduced to only $515!
For Servers was $14.95 /pm and workstations $1.50 p/m for patch management, $1.50 for web protection and $1.50 for av before tax.
Worked out pretty expensive for me.

I just used the number "25" as an example. You can start lower. The OP has a dozen-ish nodes here to monitor, and possibly other clients.
Even if he had to start with 25....with a minimum of tripling the cost of services, he more than pays for the platform and starts making money by utilizing just 10 of 'em.

Max Focus is THAT expensive? Yikes! I can't post N-Ables pricing here..but hell it's not even near that!
SKDMaster makes another good point..a perk to go for....getting lots of extra "free agents". We have unlimited free agents...we toss them on everything...even our non-MSP clients....just regular "time and material" clients. Saving us money because we don't have to go purchase a separate remote desktop app to support them. And the free essentials agent allows us to do stuff like..push out just antivirus for them...utilize those low AV integrated into the RMM pricing to make great profit on AV sales.
 
OK, at that level I'm actually going to suggest looking into SimpleHelp, which a few people here use but not many. It's a one-time fee (with cheap upgrades after the first year). It's capped at 40 remotes per simultaneous session I believe, so it's not always a great fit for folks with more remote systems they're monitoring. It also has a remote management piece that you can add on, but no patching, AV, etc. and it may not be the best choice.

For the monitoring side of things, the Kabuto free tier seems like it might fit, but with the monitoring (and maybe AV) add-ons. At your size, that's still under $5/month total for the monitoring and patching, plus another ~$4/month for each system you can remote into ($320 for SimpleHelp / 8 systems / 12 months). So total less than $400 for the first year, and less than $150 for each following year at that size.

There may also be some other remote support options that are a better fit, I haven't kept track but some of the ones that were one-time or yearly pricing have changed over to monthly plans that end up being more expensive.

Caveat: I don't actually use any of the stuff I'm suggesting here, we have enough endpoints that the Solarwinds products make sense for us.
Thank you, very helpful. I will check it out!
 
When I first opened up the thread I was thinking Kabuto. After reading what you really need, seems like Maxfocus / Solarwinds or some of the bigger players might be better for you.
 
I learn every day and being able to purchase 25 "nodes" is great but then I would have to sell them. This is where the problem starts as trying to get $25 + p/m for managed services would be almost impossible here! Trying to get $4 p/m is hard enough!
The last time I was contacted by n-Able, they had a 500 seat minimum plus a monthly "access" fee of $450 Plus a "platform fee?" of $50 p/m before tax.
Max Focus also offered a 50% discount on branding reduced to only $515!
For Servers was $14.95 /pm and workstations $1.50 p/m for patch management, $1.50 for web protection and $1.50 for av before tax.
Worked out pretty expensive for me.

This is sort of startup 101 imo - go sell the first 1-5 clients before you buy the software (like while trialing? Or even after your trial expires)

You should be able to sell it on the idea without "showing" them..
 
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