Why I hate Macs and coffee shops

[Julia]

The thread has gone a little OT, but I felt obligated to reply. As a die-hard apple user, I HATE people like the kid referenced in the original post. It's people like him that have helped to brand mac users as snobs - which really bothers me.

Do I like my Mac better than a PC? Yes. Does that mean I need to go around educating people on the "superiority" of my computer? No! Mac & PCs both have their (different, I think) uses, and it is so silly that people continue to behave like that.

My $0.02 : )

 

[abe]

The thread has gone a little OT, but I felt obligated to reply. As a die-hard apple user, I HATE people like the kid referenced in the original post. It's people like him that have helped to brand mac users as snobs - which really bothers me.

Do I like my Mac better than a PC? Yes. Does that mean I need to go around educating people on the "superiority" of my computer? No! Mac & PCs both have their (different, I think) uses, and it is so silly that people continue to behave like that.

My $0.02 : )

The problem is that three of people I know personally(I'm not talking about people who call for help) with mac's 2 of them are snobs and mention how they have a mac it whenever they can, and the third "HAS" a mac but hasn't had the time to learn to use it, but he's very proud he has it.

Those snobs that the OP mentioned from the coffe shop, attract other snobs and what do you get?, you get a "mac club"
(the price also helps alot since makes it a showoff attraction.(like those people who bought that ruby app for the iphone for $999.)

 

[gunslinger]

The problem is that three of people I know personally(I'm not talking about people who call for help) with mac's 2 of them are snobs and mention how they have a mac it whenever they can, and the third "HAS" a mac but hasn't had the time to learn to use it, but he's very proud he has it.

Those snobs that the OP mentioned from the coffe shop, attract other snobs and what do you get?, you get a "mac club"
(the price also helps alot since makes it a showoff attraction.(like those people who bought that ruby app for the iphone for $999.)

I'm sure thats part of it. But to clump all Mac users into this "Mac snob" group would be like me grouping all PC users into the "people who spend their lives gaming and still live in their moms basement" group.

 

[abe]

i'm sure thats part of it. But to clump all mac users into this "mac snob" group would be like me grouping all pc users into the "people who spend their lives gaming and still live in their moms basement" group.

lol..........

 

[hondablaster]

This thread got me curious so I decided to buy an apple laptop off Craigslist today what do you guys think?

Edit: It must be a really cool laptop, I get a lot of attention @ coffee shops.

 

[gunslinger]

If iMacs, iPhones, iPods were truly great and worth promoting, there's be an app for that. - but what iDiot would fall for such ploys for over-priced and over-rated toys?

Over priced and over rated by whos standards? Yours?

Because you don't like Apple you let it cloud your mind as a tech. You also said in another section that you did not hate Apple or Macs , yet you bash them at every turn.

Your attitude is unprofessional at best and childish at worst.

 

[gunslinger]

Considered overpriced by most people...since they aren't the majority of systems sold out there.

Only Mac haters like yourself.

"Cloud my mind"? Pot meet kettle black. HA!

I use Windows, Linux and OS X. the only OS I have ever bashed was Vista and ME and I think most people would agree with that.

Such is your opinion. My opinion is you're a Mac Fundie. Welcome to my
ignore list.

You might not see this but I have a few things you can do with your ignore list.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

Such is your opinion. My opinion is you're a Mac Fundie. Welcome to my ignore list.

I wouldn't sweat it gun. He hasn't posted anything useful except to keep this ridiculous argument going. He did have a couple of useful posts saying its hard to compare Windows and Mac due to the fact comparing anything to Windows is like betting even odds on one healthy race horse and the other horse missing two hind legs as well as the point that market share means nothing. But now he is just being ridiculous.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

Let me guess... in your mind, the Mac is the healthy four legged horse, right? (No bias there... heh)

See... you didn't even get the comparisons correct.

So you are saying although Windows and OSX are both OSs. Its like saying a chimp and a human are both primates but there is no comparison, am I correct?

 

[seedubya]

Only Mac haters like yourself.

Not true. I don't hate Mac's. I'm looking for a nice secondhand one at the moment. But I do find them seriously overpriced. In fact I find everything with an Apple logo on it seriously overpriced - from iPod Nanos to Powerbooks. Good luck to Apple with that but they won't be pulling me into their pricey style-over-substance world. Again don't get me wrong here, they do have substance - just style and price appear to be more important.

 

[angry_geek]

@pyramid Why are you so adamantly turning this into personal attacks? I agree comparing the two is like apples and oranges, but so what? There are a couple of pretty good mac techs that have brought up valid points. There are also some good windows points. I don't see how linux should even enter the debate. We all know that linux is more secure, and most of us agree that it is an altogether better os platform. The problem is Linux will probably never see the light of day as a valid alternative to OSX or Windows in the PC market until mainstream software developers get on board. So why bother discussing it?

The op has been thoroughly obfuscated, so I'll chime in here about the debate. I think both have their good and bad; I personally own both. It's hard for me to say which is "better". As for recommendations to clients, be they residential or commercial, it really depends on their situation and experience level. I have one medical office that is using macs and some mac billing program because the owner is an Apple nut. For a year I've told them that apple is not appropriate for their business due to a number of reasons I won't go into here. He is finally starting to see that. His revenue is down because the billing software company won't release compliance updates soon enough to satisfy medicare's ever changing rules. They also won't support the product in a timely manner. His employees have thoroughly thrashed 2 of the iMacs numerous times now. The point is they both have their place, and, for whatever reasons, the macs are less prone to virus and malware attacks.

My ideal view of the computing world: being able to run whatever os I want on whatever hardware I want, the various operating systems being easily switched back and forth, and complete interoperability. Maybe we'll see this one day, but I think it will be a while.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

But I do find them seriously overpriced. In fact I find everything with an Apple logo on it seriously overpriced - from iPod Nanos to Powerbooks. Good luck to Apple with that but they won't be pulling me into their pricey style-over-substance world.

Apples overall pricing strategy to this point has been a skimming strategy by applying a high price. This strategy initially targets a narrow segment of the market with a high willingness-to-pay opposed to applying a mass market strategy which Microsoft applies. Nothing wrong with either strategy and many corporations employ either of these strategies. Its just two different marketing strategies aimed at completely different market segments. Apple is starting to adjust their strategy to be more competitive as of late with some big price adjustments. Many are saying now is the time if looking to try a Mac.

 

[gunslinger]

Not true. I don't hate Mac's. I'm looking for a nice secondhand one at the moment. But I do find them seriously overpriced. In fact I find everything with an Apple logo on it seriously overpriced - from iPod Nanos to Powerbooks. Good luck to Apple with that but they won't be pulling me into their pricey style-over-substance world. Again don't get me wrong here, they do have substance - just style and price appear to be more important.

they do have substance - just style and price appear to be more important

Thats why their OS is more stable and more secure? Their cases are made of real metal instead of plastic. Lets look at the video cards they come with now. Name brand high end video cards, I don't see many of those on stock dells or HPs. Seems to me Macs have a lot of substance and nice style.

Don't think I'm picking on those two either. Apple is an OEM and its only fair to compare them to other OEMs such as Dell, Toshiba, HP and Acer.

Anyone much over the age of 3 could look at the $600 Acer and the $1,200 Mac and tell you the Mac is a higher quality product. And any tech worth his salt ( and if he is honest with himself ) should be able to tell you the OS is more stable and secure than Windows.

 

[Jory]

These topics are always so funny. The same arguments are made over and over again almost verbatim with no resolution. Wild claims are made with no factual basis, and then people start arguing over semantics. Then everyone gets bored of arguing and the topic trails off into nothingness only to be rehashed again in a new topic two months later.

With that said I'm going to mention Linux and then run off while people are still confused by my brilliant gambit!

 

[purple_minion]

Why are professional business owner arguing for 10 pages on this crap? Is anyone learning anything to better themselves? Are you reevaluating your outlook on life? Anyone convinced that they need to run out and buy a mac? This IS the same old points found on other blogs/forums/digg/slashdot.

I like linux, I hate windows, and I dislike apple. That's my preference, just like some people like Fords, some people like Chevy's, whatever. It gets from A to B correct?

Also this debate/argument should be from the end users perspective, web surfing and email, playing some music and printing out their shopping list (whatever). You might also argue about how while Apple might have a higher cost initially, you wouldn't be buying a new pc every few years because the old one is slow and broken (from their perspective) because of bloat and virus's. If they don't buy a new one, but instead fix it, well we all know how much computer repair charges are.

I suppose I just got sucked in huh. Damn it.

BTW, whining about comparing apples to apples is worthless. People either run windows or mac, unless you are running an IT department or a server, and by then you are a big boy and can decide for yourself.

 

[gunslinger]

These topics are always so funny. The same arguments are made over and over again almost verbatim with no resolution. Wild claims are made with no factual basis, and then people start arguing over semantics. Then everyone gets bored of arguing and the topic trails off into nothingness only to be rehashed again in a new topic two months later.

With that said I'm going to mention Linux and then run off while people are still confused by my brilliant gambit!

You are right for the most part. There are a few reason for this. They start out ok, then someone ( about 70-80% of the time the Windows fan from what I have seen on my youtube channel ) takes a personal shot at the Mac guy, it breaks down from there.

Another reason is because some people have no common sense. Example: I say OS X is more secure than Windows. Some "Windows defender" says its not. What do I base that statement on? Well the FACT that there are far more infections for Windows than for OS X. Some would estimate 100,000 to one or even more. Is this simply a market share problem? It does not mater. The FACT is a Windows machine is far more likely to become infected. Bottom line end of story. Thats just how it is, deal with it.

Second thing. Macs are over priced. Why? Because they cost more than a PC with the same specs? Here is the problem with that logic. THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME SPECS.. The Mac is metal, not plastic and its running OS X not Windows. Another this is resale value. The PC has none while the Mac has lots.

Most of these arguments start because the Windows user does not know what he is talking about. When the guy using a Mac points this out all hell breaks out.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

Putting Mac OS X against Windows is like a genius picking on a handicapped person. I'd rather see 2 geniuses go at it.

Agreed. But how is your comparison so different from my comparison of a healthy race horse vs. a horse without two hind legs where you said in regards to my comparison:

Let me guess... in your mind, the Mac is the healthy four legged horse, right? (No bias there... heh)

See... you didn't even get the comparisons correct.

Unless you are considering Windows AKA "the Genius" or the "healthy race horse"?

 

[gunslinger]

This is not complex people. Its not about Linux, its not about freeBSD. Its about two operating systems. Windows and OS X. The two versions that are newest and that you can buy right now. OS X leopard and Windows Vista.

You can't get more fair than that.

I'm saying I have a fast car and you are saying yours is faster. It matters not one bit what model of car you have or what car I have. As long as they are both cars.

If you say its not fair its only because you already know I have the better one and you should stop arguing over it. Admit defeat and go home. If we race and my Lincoln LS beats your ford escort don't cry foul, you are the one who wanted to race to began with.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

No comment, I just wanted to be the #1th post.

 

[tasaholic]

Sheesh ! yeah..my Dad can beat yours (and he's 92),I got a bigger one than you...the list goes on, Why bother with this meaningless crap that is a matter of personal preferences when nobody wants to share your exact opinion?? Methinks it's time this debate went the way of the other Evil Demon-PizzaTechs.What do you think Bryce...put a lid on it?