I am in need of a skilled web development partner for a few projects

[tankman1989]

Here is my problem. I am an idea man. I have TONS of them and they are good. My ideas almost always end up being developed by someone else down the road. I lack the funds and knowledge to put them together and I get side tracked by figuring out new things.

So, What I am looking for is someone to help me tackle some of my better ideas as a partner. Your job will be to design what I think up (and to add your own ideas as well). If yo have the talent and idel time, let's put that to use and start making something.

I have a number of ideas on the burner, some have been in development for years (thus they are very in-dpethand detailed and have the potential to take of and become very big) others are shall, simple ideas that just need a little time and effort to get off the ground.

I am going to start studying web programming but I feel that I will be too slow and I need to get working on something ASAP.

So, Is there anyone out there that wants to give this a shot?

 

[BryanVest]

Here is my problem. I am an idea man. I have TONS of them and they are good. My ideas almost always end up being developed by someone else down the road. I lack the funds and knowledge to put them together and I get side tracked by figuring out new things.

So, What I am looking for is someone to help me tackle some of my better ideas as a partner. Your job will be to design what I think up (and to add your own ideas as well). If yo have the talent and idel time, let's put that to use and start making something.

I have a number of ideas on the burner, some have been in development for years (thus they are very in-dpethand detailed and have the potential to take of and become very big) others are shall, simple ideas that just need a little time and effort to get off the ground.

I am going to start studying web programming but I feel that I will be too slow and I need to get working on something ASAP.

So, Is there anyone out there that wants to give this a shot?

Depends on your ideas. If you want to PM me some of your ideas and I can see what I can do if you like. I sent you a PM on it.

 

[BostonGeek1]

unfortunately

ideas are a dime a dozen.........when I look at my friends that have succeeded the most (i'm 29), its not the smartest ones that have done the most with their lives, or the ones with the best ideas......it was the ones that were moderately intelligent, but were extremely organized and were able to stay on track and follow through. The rare few are very creative AND organized, but the more I look at people the more I feel like those are 2 different parts of the brain that are mutually exclusive....its not the idea that matters as much as execution intelligence...........taking an existing idea and doing it 'better', or implementing it in a new way, and elaborating on the details.............for example take an existing website and improve on it........take an existing virus removal toolkit and add more to it....etc....but the main point is you have to actually FOLLOW THROUGH with it.........otherwise you'll never go anywhere......the world is filled with people with amazing ideas that never went anywhere..........there's plenty of 'could have beens'.

 

[BryanVest]

ideas are a dime a dozen.........when I look at my friends that have succeeded the most (i'm 29), its not the smartest ones that have done the most with their lives, or the ones with the best ideas......it was the ones that were moderately intelligent, but were extremely organized and were able to stay on track and follow through. The rare few are very creative AND organized, but the more I look at people the more I feel like those are 2 different parts of the brain that are mutually exclusive....its not the idea that matters as much as execution intelligence...........taking an existing idea and doing it 'better', or implementing it in a new way, and elaborating on the details.............for example take an existing website and improve on it........take an existing virus removal toolkit and add more to it....etc....but the main point is you have to actually FOLLOW THROUGH with it.........otherwise you'll never go anywhere......the world is filled with people with amazing ideas that never went anywhere..........there's plenty of 'could have beens'.

??? I think thats why he is asking for someones help to follow through with his ideas???

 

[tankman1989]

Did you even read my post? Your reply justifies my thread as to why I am loing for someone to help me bring my ideas to life. What was the point of your post in the first place, was it to discourage me from seeking help? I don't know why I am still amazed at the arrogance and blindness of some people who consider themselves to be "smarter than average".

I can guarantee that you have never come up with near as many or near as good of ideas as I have. Even though I wasn't the one to "profit" from them, I am secure in knowing that I understand what people what and what they will find helpful and useful. That alone is worth a good deal by itself.

I also think you are mistaken, ideas may be a "dime a dozen" but good/great ideas are 1 in a million or better.

ideas are a dime a dozen.........when I look at my friends that have succeeded the most (i'm 29), its not the smartest ones that have done the most with their lives, or the ones with the best ideas......it was the ones that were moderately intelligent, but were extremely organized and were able to stay on track and follow through. The rare few are very creative AND organized, but the more I look at people the more I feel like those are 2 different parts of the brain that are mutually exclusive....its not the idea that matters as much as execution intelligence...........taking an existing idea and doing it 'better', or implementing it in a new way, and elaborating on the details.............for example take an existing website and improve on it........take an existing virus removal toolkit and add more to it....etc....but the main point is you have to actually FOLLOW THROUGH with it.........otherwise you'll never go anywhere......the world is filled with people with amazing ideas that never went anywhere..........there's plenty of 'could have beens'.

 

[BostonGeek1]

no it was to give you a dose of reality. unless your ideas have been researched, tested, proven, and implemented before, no one is going to blindly invest in your ideas by putting in time, not even for 50% ownership. You want someone to implement your ideas? It'll be an hourly rate, and usually you'll get poor quality work unless you pay WAY MORE than you can afford. That's the reality of business....PLUS you'll be lucky if your idea won't be stolen by the guy doing the actual work...............once you tell them the idea what's the point of having YOU around?

I had an idea too 4 years ago...and I didn't have the resources to implement it fully. But i was able to implement parts of it, test it, research it, and THEN i came to my 'now' business partner, and pitched him the idea...........and sold him on it. But I had statistics and research and previous experience to get rapport with my business partner, I didn't just come up and say 'hey i have this genius idea' why don't you blindly give up your time and do all the hard work.

And lastly if you've never followed through on any them, that strongly suggests you're not a very reliable person and have no follow through and that's a pretty bad business partner.

The point as I said was to encourage you to roll up your sleeve and deliver some results yourself, and then maybe someone will believe in you. For now I doubt anyone will.

 

[BryanVest]

no it was to give you a dose of reality. unless your ideas have been researched, tested, proven, and implemented before, no one is going to blindly invest in your ideas by putting in time, not even for 50% ownership. You want someone to implement your ideas? It'll be an hourly rate, and usually you'll get poor quality work unless you pay WAY MORE than you can afford. That's the reality of business....PLUS you'll be lucky if your idea won't be stolen by the guy doing the actual work...............once you tell them the idea what's the point of having YOU around?

I had an idea too 4 years ago...and I didn't have the resources to implement it fully. But i was able to implement parts of it, test it, research it, and THEN i came to my 'now' business partner, and pitched him the idea...........and sold him on it. But I had statistics and research and previous experience to get rapport with my business partner, I didn't just come up and say 'hey i have this genius idea' why don't you blindly give up your time and do all the hard work.

And lastly if you've never followed through on any them, that strongly suggests you're not a very reliable person and have no follow through and that's a pretty bad business partner.

The point as I said was to encourage you to roll up your sleeve and deliver some results yourself, and then maybe someone will believe in you. For now I doubt anyone will.

I dont know what is going on in your life right now, but I dont see why your being a complete jerk to someone who just asked for help?

 

[NeutronTech]

no it was to give you a dose of reality. unless your ideas have been researched, tested, proven, and implemented before, no one is going to blindly invest in your ideas by putting in time, not even for 50% ownership. You want someone to implement your ideas? It'll be an hourly rate, and usually you'll get poor quality work unless you pay WAY MORE than you can afford. That's the reality of business....PLUS you'll be lucky if your idea won't be stolen by the guy doing the actual work...............once you tell them the idea what's the point of having YOU around?

I had an idea too 4 years ago...and I didn't have the resources to implement it fully. But i was able to implement parts of it, test it, research it, and THEN i came to my 'now' business partner, and pitched him the idea...........and sold him on it. But I had statistics and research and previous experience to get rapport with my business partner, I didn't just come up and say 'hey i have this genius idea' why don't you blindly give up your time and do all the hard work.

And lastly if you've never followed through on any them, that strongly suggests you're not a very reliable person and have no follow through and that's a pretty bad business partner.

The point as I said was to encourage you to roll up your sleeve and deliver some results yourself, and then maybe someone will believe in you. For now I doubt anyone will.

If your not interested then you might want to just keep your thoughts to yourself. There isn't much need to be a jerk to him. It's obvious that you are wrong in regards to people willing to help him 'blindly'. It sucks that someone stole your idea in the past, but maybe that just shows the kind of people you associate with. I would advise for you to find better qualities in your business partners.

 

[Bryce W]

I have access to an incredibly skilled PHP developer. He is fairly busy these days so its time permitting, but he is excellent.
Since he does it for pay and has his own projects, I dont think you'll be able to get him as a partner, but you can try.

If you've got badass ideas and believe in them but dont have the money, get a bank loan and get them developed. Otherwise, you are going to keep missing the boat as you mentioned you already had on a few ideas.
When I did web development for clients myself, I had many people approach me about partnership projects where I get a percentage of the businesses earnings when it takes off etc.. They needed a partner like me to do all the work because they didnt have the money.

I always asked the question "If you dont believe in your project enough to get a loan and invest money, why should I invest my time?"

I know this industry well, Technibble is just one of my successful sites, my other site is a forum with 2,951,837 posts and 62,711 members at the time of posting this. I also heavily believe in following your dreams as life is way too short. Bostongeek could have said it with more tact but much of what he says is still correct. Everyone has ideas. Its about 10% the idea and 90% the implementation.

Ive seen the stupidest ideas make a ton of money and Ive seen the best ideas fail hard. If you have a killer idea, focus on getting it implemented and make a ton of money, but as a stand alone idea, it isnt worth much.

Get your best idea, believe in it, get some money (bank loan or whatever) and pay a developer. If you still want to go the partnership route, get a basic version of the site developed and see if it makes any money. If it does then you'll have no trouble getting a partner on board. Who knows, you may not even need a partner if it is already making money. The money it makes may be able to pay for full time developers and you keep 100% of the income.

Anyway, if you need to hire killer PHP developer, I can point you in the right direction.

 

[tankman1989]

no it was to give you a dose of reality. unless your ideas have been researched, tested, proven, and implemented before, no one is going to blindly invest in your ideas by putting in time, not even for 50% ownership. You want someone to implement your ideas? It'll be an hourly rate, and usually you'll get poor quality work unless you pay WAY MORE than you can afford. That's the reality of business....PLUS you'll be lucky if your idea won't be stolen by the guy doing the actual work...............once you tell them the idea what's the point of having YOU around?

I had an idea too 4 years ago...and I didn't have the resources to implement it fully. But i was able to implement parts of it, test it, research it, and THEN i came to my 'now' business partner, and pitched him the idea...........and sold him on it. But I had statistics and research and previous experience to get rapport with my business partner, I didn't just come up and say 'hey i have this genius idea' why don't you blindly give up your time and do all the hard work.

And lastly if you've never followed through on any them, that strongly suggests you're not a very reliable person and have no follow through and that's a pretty bad business partner.

The point as I said was to encourage you to roll up your sleeve and deliver some results yourself, and then maybe someone will believe in you. For now I doubt anyone will.

Well I thank you for your detailed explanation and I apologize for mis-reading your intentions. It is unfortunate for me that I went into Business Admin/MIS as a major instead of Comp SCI where I could have learned how to implement my ideas.

I do agree with you on most of your points and is why I am in the position I am in.

Thanks again for making your points clear.

 

[tankman1989]

Bryce and everyone else I would like to thank you for your suggestions. I am going to try to do some learning on my own on programming but I am afraid that I will be too slow and too late, but I figure there will always be more ideas and at that time I will be better prepared.



If I want to learn a web programming language which should I start out with? I have some basic understanding of HTML but only enough to do some basic static pages and tables. I do like PHP sites I have seen but don't know if I need to know other lanuages. I need to be able to create forms and interact with databases.

Also, what do you think about using w3shools.com to learn web design?

 

[BryanVest]

Bryce and everyone else I would like to thank you for your suggestions. I am going to try to do some learning on my own on programming but I am afraid that I will be too slow and too late, but I figure there will always be more ideas and at that time I will be better prepared.



If I want to learn a web programming language which should I start out with? I have some basic understanding of HTML but only enough to do some basic static pages and tables. I do like PHP sites I have seen but don't know if I need to know other lanuages. I need to be able to create forms and interact with databases.

Also, what do you think about using w3shools.com to learn web design?

Learn HTML and CSS first and then move on to the other languages like PHP and ASP.

 

[Bryce W]

I recommend that you focus on your business skills, making money, getting the idea out there and leave the programming work to the programmers.
I know how to code in PHP, I am OK at it but it takes me a while to get things to work because I am not experienced as I need to be.

So, I just hire a killer PHP programmer. I have my great ideas backed by a great code.

Kind of like a business owner trying fix their computer themselves to save money. As technicians, both you and I know that they'll never do it as well as we can, even if they get it fixed its about all the side knowledge. They might have gotten their laptop to connect to their wireless network so they are happy, but they dont understand that they have left it completely unprotected and just dont know about the implications of doing so.
This guy could just hire a professional computer technician like us to do it right and focus on his business that makes him money. I believe you should do the same.
You are the ideas man, plan it out, get the funds and get a professional to do it. While you could get it going with limited coding skills, you may open security holes, make it very CPU intensive, make it entirely unscalable if it takes off etc..

 

[NeutronTech]

You have to keep in mind that some people can't just run out and get a loan. Either the credit is already stretched or they have had past credit problems. Likewise, all spare funds are tied up as well. So to here someone say "if you can't back up your idea with money, why should I invest my time" is kind of a bunk statement.

I would venture to guess that if someone had the funds/credit available, they might not even be asking for help. This instant judgement has got to stop. Just like BostonGeek's automatic judgement that OP is living in a fantasy world. You really have no idea what OP has done and has not done yet. What's wrong with just answering the question instead of spouting off assumptions? The OP didn't ask for opinions on his idea, just asked for some help implementing them. Which, in itself, showed an effort to move forward and accomplish something.

 

[jvcomputerservice]

i agree with BryanVest. Learn HTML, (XTHML) and CSS then move to other languages .
Im also learning web programming and I think I have the basics down of HTML and CSS, but I know that there is much more to learn, usually what i do is i read the source code from webpages and I try to figure how the code is working. I also got some books from the library and some videos the only problem is the they teach the basics and I think I now need an advance book because I get bored if a read something over and over.

Another thing that you should consider is learning to work with graphics. Photoshop is an excellent tool, but you can start with Paint with is FREE and does also an excellent job.

Also have many ideas that i would love to implement, but sometimes i have too much in mind that i don't get anything done. For the last six months i have been trying to start my computer business , i had and have too much ideas as far as advertising, services that i would like to offer and other things. Well i have done most of them but they are about 40% done, which makes mad because i cannot get started.

I read a phrase some weeks ago and i have loved it since then. " done is better than Perfect"I think is better to focus in one thing (one idea) get it done then move to the next.

 

[BostonGeek1]

i'm sorry if i came off as tactless.........i definitely could have said it better, but I don't think you made any wrong decision.

 

[Bryce W]

So to here someone say "if you can't back up your idea with money, why should I invest my time" is kind of a bunk statement.

When the money isnt available, it comes down to risk. The meaning of taking on a partner to code for free is "I want someone else to take all the risk of time" since I wont take the financial risk.

The OP didn't ask for opinions on his idea, just asked for some help implementing them

I dont know what the idea is so I cant give him an opinion on it. The whole point of what I wrote is helping him implement it including offering a killer PHP coder as a contact.

 

[NeutronTech]

When the money isnt available, it comes down to risk. The meaning of taking on a partner to code for free is "I want someone else to take all the risk of time" since I wont take the financial risk.

No, it means "I don't have the money or the credit to make a financial risk, but I will risk my time and whatever resources I do have available to help someone with the coding knowledge, help me. The coder may be risking his time, and I am risking my time as well developing the details of the idea."

What risk are you talking about? There are only two things to risk, time and money. If you don't have the money then you can only risk the time. If you lack the skills to code it, then sure your time isn't worth as much as the coders, but your risking it nonetheless.

I take this stance because I had absolutely nothing when I started my business. The risk I took was to go into business with no income while supporting three kids. I risked months of time that could have been spent looking for a "job". My dad risked his time building a bench, sign, counter, etc for me because I could not afford to buy them and lack the carpentry skills to make them on my own. I wasn't asking him to assume the risk while I sat idly by. Granted, carpentry and coding are different, but they are both skills that I don't possess. I understand your point, but I just have a problem with blanket statements like that without knowing the unique situation of the parties involved. It was statements like that, that discouraged me from starting my business years earlier. Just because I didn't have the money, didn't make me a lazy person looking for someone else to take the risks for me.

 

[BostonGeek1]

Neutron you're just not realistic...noone OWES you to build you a bench and help you. That's so naive...and noone is calling you lazy, its just that for most people, if they don't have the money, they won't start small businesses, simple as that....you take the risk with your wallet until you have a proven track record. For example if a proven business man came to me and asked me to invest time into their idea......I would consider it.............a newbie NOOOOO WAY....gimme the money its pay to play, its not your god given right to own a business.............the rewards are great but the buy-in is expensive Sorry but YES I DO think some of you are living a dream world.........

 

[ICEinLAVA]

I think your taking a huge risk looking for a partner. If you find someone, you will need to organize and setup a partnership business. And then there is always the issue of IT'S AN IDEA. Because it is an idea, you can't get it patented so your at risk just having your idea stolen. and technically unless the idea is developed by a sole individual or partnership, you could lose your ability to patent your idea if you tell people that are not associated with your business.

I would suggest looking for a bank loan or an investor but they usually want a good % of the company, and possible future ideas. I would be careful and negotiate the terms.