To my fellow American computer techs

[sapphirescales]

Yet in your previous post, you've said you "know" that Floyd was "high on drugs" and "resisting arrest" - based on that same video and internet hearsay.

Are you for real? You can tell he's resisting arrest. That's a fact. But you can't tell what's in someone's mind by watching a video. It took 4 f*cking cops to control this dude. This wasn't some poor innocent black man. This was an ex-con that did NOT want to go back to prison.

And drugs were found in his system during the autopsy. You don't need a trial for that any more than you need a trial to determine whether Floyd was black or not.

 

[Briggsy]

Are you for real? You can tell he's resisting arrest. That's a fact. But you can't tell what's in someone's mind by watching a video. It took 4 f*cking cops to control this dude. This wasn't some poor innocent black man. This was an ex-con that did NOT want to go back to prison.

And drugs were found in his system during the autopsy. You don't need a trial for that any more than you need a trial to determine whether Floyd was black or not.

You're talking shite again.

The video shows the officer pulling him out of a car. It doesn't show the lead up to that or whether there was any resistance to arrest.

It did not take "four cops to control this dude". He was on the floor for 11 minutes. They were pinning him down despite not putting up a fight - all he did was move his head to gasp for air.

They continue to pin him down, and Chauvin in particular keeps his knee in his neck for 3 minutes whilst hes UNCONSCIOUS. Why the **** do they need to continue to pin him down at all (or "control him" as you put it), never mind 3 minutes, when the guy is unresponsive?

As for drugs being found in his system - that's completely different to your first comment. You first said he was "high on drugs" - now its "drugs in his system".

"Drugs in his system" could be as little as one smoke of a joint. In addition, drugs show up even 24 hours after taking them - so whilst he may have taken drugs at some point, theres no evidence at all that he was "high on drugs" - and he certainly seems "with it" in the video rather than heavily intoxicated.

Like your nonsense Windows post, you're trying to back up a weak argument with very over-exagerated comments to try to validate your claim.

 

[Mr. Ingram's Computer Repair & Shoppe]

Welp, I tried...

 

[britechguy]

The legal supposition of "innocent until proven guilty" is just that: a legal supposition. It has nothing to do at all with whether a person is actually guilty of anything or not or ever comes to trial for anything or not. People do "get away with murder," that doesn't mean they're not guilty of murder. No one is talking about legal guilt here.
~ Brian Vogel, 11/20/2014

 

[sapphirescales]

The video shows the officer pulling him out of a car. It doesn't show the lead up to that or whether there was any resistance to arrest.

The car is shaking like crazy. The guy is resisting. End of story.

It did not take "four cops to control this dude". He was on the floor for 11 minutes. They were pinning him down despite not putting up a fight - all he did was move his head to gasp for air.

The fighting happened before he was on the ground. You don't let up on a suspect because they're likely to start resisting again. Not letting up when the suspect complained he couldn't breathe was an error in judgement, but it doesn't prove murder.

They continue to pin him down, and Chauvin in particular keeps his knee in his neck for 3 minutes whilst hes UNCONSCIOUS. Why the **** do they need to continue to pin him down at all (or "control him" as you put it), never mind 3 minutes, when the guy is unresponsive?

Maybe he thought the guy was okay? He's probably done this exact same thing dozens if not hundreds of times and it's never been a problem. Floyd ended up being a problem thanks to his pre-existing health problems and the fact that he was on drugs at the time.

As for drugs being found in his system - that's completely different to your first comment. You first said he was "high on drugs" - now its "drugs in his system".

"Drugs in his system" could be as little as one smoke of a joint. In addition, drugs show up even 24 hours after taking them - so whilst he may have taken drugs at some point, theres no evidence at all that he was "high on drugs" - and he certainly seems "with it" in the video rather than heavily intoxicated.

It'll all come out in court. Court cases aren't like TV. They take DAYS. Hundreds - perhaps thousands of pieces of evidence are weighed. Testimonies are heard. You can't make a judgement of guilty or innocent from a video alone. You can make assumptions, but the point of all of this is that protesting this guy's death is premature. If the cop is clearly guilty but he's let off because he's a cop, THEN is the time to protest. You've gotta give the law a chance to work. Even with obvious homicides take months to arrest and prosecute the suspect.

Like your nonsense Windows post, you're trying to back up a weak argument with very over-exagerated comments to try to validate your claim.

EVERYTHING I said in that post was true. Take two identical systems with a hard drive - load one with Windows 7 and one with Windows 10. The Windows 10 machine will be slow as molasses and the Windows 7 system will fly. There's an exception for high-capacity desktop hard drives with high-density platters. Windows 10 is perfectly usable on a drive like that. But Windows 10 runs like garbage even on a 7200rpm laptop drive (or a normal WD green/blue type consumer desktop drive). Windows 7 is rock solid. Windows 10 is a constantly changing mess. Windows 7 is too outdated now, but if Microsoft wasn't so obsessed with changing the UI every build and making a billion other changes no one ever asked for, Windows 10 would be a great OS.

 

[sapphirescales]

The legal supposition of "innocent until proven guilty" is just that: a legal supposition. It has nothing to do at all with whether a person is actually guilty of anything or not or ever comes to trial for anything or not. People do "get away with murder," that doesn't mean they're not guilty of murder. No one is talking about legal guilt here.

In other news, the sky is blue. You MUST assume that someone is innocent, otherwise innocent people are more likely to be convicted for crimes they didn't commit. Yes, some people get away with murder, but thankfully it's only a small percentage. No system is perfect. It takes time for the system to dole out justice, even in the most obvious, heinous crimes.

 

[britechguy]

In other news, the sky is blue. You MUST assume that someone is innocent, otherwise innocent people are more likely to be convicted for crimes they didn't commit. Yes, some people get away with murder, but thankfully it's only a small percentage. No system is perfect. It takes time for the system to dole out justice, even in the most obvious, heinous crimes.

And, again, the central point goes zooming over your head.

Whether or not any of these former law enforcement officers is convicted or not, to anyone with accurate powers of observation the one who held his knee on this man's neck for far longer than it takes to kill anyone by asphyxiation is guilty of murder. His fellow officers aided and abetted.

I don't care what the courts find, though the justice system must be used. But it's abundantly clear, repeatedly, that the justice system dispenses anything but.

I am capable of making my own judgments. I don't rely on the outcome of a trial to know what happened here. And that was even before the history of Chauvin was brought forward. This wasn't a 2-second video that one has to extrapolate from. It was a long shot of a heinous crime.

My brother is a cop, and it's cops like those caught in the act of murdering someone, in plain public view, that make his job less safe and more difficult.

 

[sapphirescales]

Whether or not any of these former law enforcement officers is convicted or not, to anyone with accurate powers of observation the one who held his knee on this man's neck for far longer than it takes to kill anyone by asphyxiation is guilty of murder. His fellow officers aided and abetted.

I'm not going to judge someone based on one piece of evidence. A video is a good piece of evidence, no doubt, but it's not the whole picture. This is why there are Jury's. A jury is much more capable of making a decision of guilty or innocent than I, some guy who saw a video on the internet, is. They'll get to review all the evidence, hear all the testimony.

Haven't you ever done those puzzles where the image starts as an extreme close-up and it zooms out each turn until you can finally see the whole picture? That's what a trial is like. Something may look a certain way under extreme close-up, but once you see the whole picture, your opinion changes. Other times you know immediately what the image is and you're not surprised at all when you see the whole picture. There's a reason why jury's deliberate for hours if not days.

I would be shocked if he wasn't at least found guilty of manslaughter, but I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't convicted of murder. I'll side with the jury, just like I'll trust the judgement of my mechanic over what I *think the problem is. They're the "experts" in this case.

 

[tf76]

Bringing this back on topic. Thank you. My shoppe and I are currently safe, and business is going well. Had a couple neighbors from South Africa, they moved here because of all the murder/race war. Hope you are safe.

EDIT: hah South Australia....Well I don't know much about your area. None the less, hope your good

I haven't travelled much and have never been to America either. I'm a lover of the game of basketball. One day I would love to come over there and experience watching a game or two.

Hopefully when my children are older, the wife and I might do some travelling.

Someone once told me, a bird can not fly properly with one wing.
It needs the right and left working together to accomplish this feat.

Take care.


Regards,

 

[Briggsy]

I'm not going to judge someone based on one piece of evidence.

You literally judged Floyd based on a drugs test.....

What you really mean is that you'll ignore evidence if it works against the cop, but mention evidence if it works in the cops favour so that it fits your agenda.

People have already sussed you out. Someone called you out on racist comments you made a couple of weeks ago - and here you are again picking and choosing "evidence" depending on whether it suits your agenda or not.

It baffles me how you've stayed on this site for so long. You're constantly aggressive in your posts, you're an expert on everything, if someone has been to the moon once, then you've been twice, and you contradict yourself constantly. One minute you claim to be raking money in - then the next you're on Craigslist "saving your business". You're just a wind-up merchant and I'm not even convinced you're a tech. I don't know why we all entertain your BS.

The car is shaking like crazy. The guy is resisting. End of story.

You're a moron. End of story.

You contradict yourself so much and you dont even realise you do it.

 

[Porthos]

As an avid watcher of Live PD, I have witnessed the knee to the head/neck in the past. It is the amount of force that is used with the knee that makes a lot of difference. It usually lasts until the suspect is properly restrained. If that entails being cuffed and shackled and sometimes hogtied and I have seen suspects say they can't breathe and the response is "if you can talk you can breathe".

I am not excusing the actions of this cop, I also can not excuse the way minorities, as well as blacks, are treated by the world as well.
But in the end, no matter who you are, what ethnicity you are, Do not argue your case on the side of the road (traffic stop) for any reason. That is what courts are for.

I have no sympathy for those who commit crimes or injure others but as people say, Police are not judge, jury and executioner. Lethal force is sometimes needed (Not in this case). Police do actually deserve to go home to their loved ones as well.
If you make a mistake in life do not run from it. Pay your debt to society do not run away from it or run if you have a warrant and endanger the rest of us who stay out of trouble. Too much of this also.

 

[sapphirescales]

You literally judged Floyd based on a drugs test.....

Floyd is dead. He can't be judged. This isn't about Floyd. This is about the cop and whether he's guilty or innocent. If Floyd had survived and been arrested then he would have went through a trial just like the cop is going to. That's how the system works.

What you really mean is that you'll ignore evidence if it works against the cop, but mention evidence if it works in the cops favour so that it fits your agenda.

I'm not here to judge anyone. I'm saying the exact opposite. I'm not qualified to judge because I don't have all the evidence. My opinion is that the cop isn't guilty of murder, but if he's convicted by a jury then chances are he's guilty.

and here you are again picking and choosing "evidence" depending on whether it suits your agenda or not.

I can have my own opinions and so can you, but neither of us will have any say whether this guy is convicted or not. In my opinion, Floyd was resisting arrest, but I can't be 100% certain from a video. Other pieces of evidence and eyewitness testimony will need to be considered. That's why there will be a trial. Floyd isn't on trial here - the cop is.

One minute you claim to be raking money in - then the next you're on Craigslist "saving your business".

And you, sir, are a buffoon. We're going through something called a pandemic. Perhaps you've heard of it? Jesus Christ. I wouldn't be working out of my f*cking garage if Coronavirus hadn't happened. I'm really hating my job right now because of my working conditions and the types of clients I'm having to accept, but that's the fault of Covid. Everybody is hanging on to their money with a death-grip. My shop is closed and Google no longer allows computer repair companies to advertise. Craigslist is where everyone is going because the "official" economy is closed.

 

[sapphirescales]

But in the end, no matter who you are, what ethnicity you are, Do not argue your case on the side of the road (traffic stop) for any reason. That is what courts are for.

Amen. Fighting or arguing with a cop will just end badly. If I was just walking down the street minding my own business and a cop came up and told me that I was under arrest for murder, I'd be sh*tting my pants but I'd put my hands behind my back and shut up. Arguing about it or resisting arrest isn't going to do anything. The cop doesn't decide whether you're guilty or innocent - the courts do. The cops don't make the laws - they merely enforce them.

 

[Briggsy]

Floyd is dead. He can't be judged.

I'll say it again because you must be hard of thinking. YOU literally judged him.

Floyd is dead. He can't be judged. This isn't about Floyd. This is about the cop and whether he's guilty or innocent. If Floyd had survived and been arrested then he would have went through a trial just like the cop is going to. That's how the system works.

It's totally about Floyd. The cop lives whether hes found guilty or not.

Floyd died because of the actions of one officer in particular. You can try to suggest that drugs or health conditions played a part (but then say you're not judging.....) - but I refer to my three points further up, in particular one key point which you conveniently ignored again because it doesn't fit your agenda - if the cop had not intended to kill, or even harm, Floyd, then he wouldn't not have continued to push on his neck when it was clear that he had been unconscious for three minutes. He knew he was unconscious because he was looking at him directly, plus people watching had told him Floyd had stopped breathing, plus his own colleague said "he has no pulse - I think we should put him on his side" - to which Chauvin refuses. Those are facts that are clear from the video. You're doing your best to dismiss those though and trying to suggest that its Floyd's fault for being "high on drugs" (which there is no evidence of) and having a pre-existing medical condition.

And you, sir, are a buffoon. We're going through something called a pandemic. Perhaps you've heard of it? Jesus Christ. I wouldn't be working out of my f*cking garage if Coronavirus hadn't happened. I'm really hating my job right now because of my working conditions and the types of clients I'm having to accept, but that's the fault of Covid. Everybody is hanging on to their money with a death-grip. My shop is closed and Google no longer allows computer repair companies to advertise. Craigslist is where everyone is going because the "official" economy is closed.

Struggling to see the relevance. You constantly brag about how much you charge. If you do as well as you claim, surely you have enough money to get you through it. Other people on here seem to be.

You've suddenly gone from making tons of money to "saving your business".

The funniest thing of all is that you're now using Craigslist - a platform that you've mocked others for using in the past.

Even funnier is that you think we believe your BS and bluster, but people openly mock you on here in a tongue-in-cheek manner but mean it seriously at the same time.

I've never believed a word you say - but your Windows post was truly laughable.

 

[Briggsy]

If I was just walking down the street minding my own business and a cop came up and told me that I was under arrest for murder, I'd be sh*tting my pants but I'd put my hands behind my back and shut up.

More likely you'd try to invoice him $2000 an hour for your time.

 

[sapphirescales]

If you do as well as you claim, surely you have enough money to get you through it. Other people on here seem to be.

You've suddenly gone from making tons of money to "saving your business".

You really have no concept of business, do you? I have tons of money saved and more money in lines of credit than I know what to do with. But I'm not going to stay in business and just bleed money with no end in sight. If necessary, I would have closed my business, let go of all my employees, conserved my cash, and started another business. The economy has fundamentally changed. I was afraid that my business wasn't going to be able to survive it. Thankfully I've been able to ride things out pretty well and I haven't had to let anyone go.

YOU literally judged him.

No, I have an opinion. There's the difference. I'm talking about an opinion here. That's not the same as a conviction in a court of law. I think he resisted arrest. The jury will have access to all the evidence and will decide for sure though.

It's totally about Floyd.

No, it's not. We're arguing about the cop, not Floyd. What mattered is what the cop intended to do. Was he a raging racist with murderous intent or an incompetent buffoon that thought he knew what he was doing? What's more likely - that FOUR cops of different races were racist against black people and participated in a murder ON CAMERA, or that they didn't realize what they were doing because they've done this sort of thing in the past and the suspects have lived? I dunno. The whole thing makes no sense. There's a lot more that people don't know. There has to be.

Even funnier is that you think we believe your BS and bluster, but people openly mock you on here in a tongue-in-cheek manner but mean it seriously at the same time.

I don't care about what people think about me. I'm not even ME on here. I'm just an anonymous avatar. I've got nothing to prove. I'm just here to bring a different business perspective, you know, to help others look at business a different way. Oh, and to kill time of course. There's plenty of time to kill, especially with Covid now.

 

[sapphirescales]

if the cop had not intended to kill, or even harm, Floyd, then he wouldn't not have continued to push on his neck when it was clear that he had been unconscious for three minutes. He knew he was unconscious because he was looking at him directly, plus people watching had told him Floyd had stopped breathing, plus his own colleague said "he has no pulse - I think we should put him on his side" - to which Chauvin refuses.

Who says he hasn't done something like this in the past and the suspects haven't died? Maybe he's a super racist guy who thinks of black people like animals and likes to make them suffer before throwing them in the slammer? Maybe he's just power hungry and likes to make people beg for their lives? Even if all this were true, he still wouldn't be convicted of murder unless he actually intended to kill the guy. Intent is very difficult to prove. It all depends on what the jury decides when they hear all of the evidence. He might get off with manslaughter. It all depends on intent.

My point is, there are more possibilities than just what you see on the video. You're only hearing one side of the story - ironically the side of the dead guy*. Everything must be considered before a verdict of guilty or innocent is reached.

*I should clarify that I don't mean this literally. Floyd can't give testimony, but the internet and the media have given the testimony for him. The cop has no voice.

 

[Kitten Kong]

Guys, keep it civil.

This is my last warning. I don't want to impose infractions and or close the thread, but I will do.

 

[Mr. Ingram's Computer Repair & Shoppe]

I'm a lover of the game of basketball.

I played it in my school days, along with Baseball. I don't exactly "go outside" much anymore... Sports just lost interest over... the internet

Guys, keep it civil.

This is my last warning. I don't want to impose infractions and or close the thread, but I will do.

I tried man, I'd be okay if you closed it. These guys got to much time on their hands... Fighting on the internet like it'd actually change anything XD It went from political o personal attacks and now it's just sad.

 

[callthatgirl]

We have bigger problems, the 2nd wave when the police are found not guilty. Think Rodney King was bad, multiply that times 1000.