Non-computer Corona virus thread

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Galdorf said:
Well i looked at the list my business is classified as essential since i repair the video display systems in banks the cinema is closed though.

List of Essential services:

9. Businesses that supply office products and services, including providing computer products and related repair and maintenance services, for individuals working from home and for essential businesses;.
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That "for individuals working from home and for essential businesses" proviso isn't decorative, by the way.

I "remain open" for those two categories, too, for some value of "remain open" as I don't operate a storefront. But if a client were to call me saying that, "Johnny's laptop is not working, and he's bored out of his mind!!," the response should be, "Then he needs to learn how to read a book," or similar.

People (and I hasten to add, Gandolf, that this is not accusing you in any way) who want to stretch the definition of essential to cover the non-essential deserve whatever punishment is in effect. There should be NO fudging in regard to what is clearly support of an essential service versus otherwise.
 
britechguy said:
That "for individuals working from home and for essential businesses" proviso isn't decorative, by the way.

I "remain open" for those two categories, too, for some value of "remain open" as I don't operate a storefront. But if a client were to call me saying that, "Johnny's laptop is not working, and he's bored out of his mind!!," the response should be, "Then he needs to learn how to read a book," or similar.

People (and I hasten to add, Gandolf, that this is not accusing you in any way) who want to stretch the definition of essential to cover the non-essential deserve whatever punishment is in effect. There should be NO fudging in regard to what is clearly support of an essential service versus otherwise.
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I also service systems at local banks as well. just did a job the other day.
 
nlinecomputers said:
**** just got real here. We had our first case just a few days ago and that man passed away this morning. So by the math, we have a 100% fatality rate for the moment.
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Not discounting this gentleman's death, but a sample size of one holds no validity in calculating a rate for anything.

We don't have a ton in the area where I live, but I think there have been 5 in what's being defined as "the region" and all have survived. It would be just as ludicrous to declare that the survival rate is 100%, or mortality rate is 0%, based on an insignificant sample size.
 
britechguy said:
Not discounting this gentleman's death, but a sample size of one holds no validity in calculating a rate for anything.

We don't have a ton in the area where I live, but I think there have been 5 in what's being defined as "the region" and all have survived. It would be just as ludicrous to declare that the survival rate is 100%, or mortality rate is 0%, based on an insignificant sample size.
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Obviously. I was being facetious. But it is a bit sobering. We've got a lot of locals jumping on Trump's back by Easter bandwagon which to me is just insane.
 
Sky-Knight said:
Medically yes, it's insane... economically not so much. At some point we're going to have to cut our losses and restart. The question is... when.
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To a point. Too soon and you'll have a depression anyway from the anarchy and chaos caused when society shuts down from the overload of sick and dead all at once. One CDC projection has 50% of the US population getting infected in one year. With expectations of 22 million people needing to be hospitalized and 1.7 million dying outright even with proper care. That's on top of the normal death toll for the US in a year which is certainly going to be compounded by the influx of COVID patients. Sorry, Mr. Jones but we can't give you a heart bypass today because we don't have the operating room, the recovery ward, or a regular room for you to stay in.

We are going to have an economic crisis, either way, the only difference is if it is somewhat orderly with a lower death toll or a total break down of society. People aren't to work in that situation either. They will be breaking into your home looking for food.
 
nlinecomputers said:
To a point. Too soon and you'll have a depression anyway from the anarchy and chaos caused when society shuts down from the overload of sick and dead all at once. One CDC projection has 50% of the US population getting infected in one year. With expectations of 22 million people needing to be hospitalized and 1.7 million dying outright even with proper care. That's on top of the normal death toll for the US in a year which is certainly going to be compounded by the influx of COVID patients. Sorry, Mr. Jones but we can't give you a heart bypass today because we don't have the operating room, the recovery ward, or a regular room for you to stay in.

We are going to have an economic crisis, either way, the only difference is if it is somewhat orderly with a lower death toll or a total break down of society. People aren't to work in that situation either. They will be breaking into your home looking for food.
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We're not in for a total breakdown either way, but there is a TON of air chair quarterbacking here. The reality is, there is no good answer. It's going to suck no matter what happens and what we do.
 
nlinecomputers said:
I was being facetious.
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And I apologize if I have caused offense. As you pointed out in a part of your reply that I excised, there is so much insane garbage being spouted, and from those saying "restart the economy tomorrow," and, "we're going to have to be shut down probably for a year," that it is sometimes difficult to tell who's engaging in arch humor and who's just nuts. (And I hasten to add that both of those extremes are nuts.)

Personally, I think this pandemic is being blown completely out of proportion. But I am also sensitive to the fact that the populations that are vulnerable to COVID-19 becoming critical for them are really, really vulnerable and it is up to those of us who are able-bodied to take a conservative approach until more data comes in to allow better decision making.

I keep saying, and it's entirely my gut that leads me to believe this, that I believe there are already many millions who are or, more importantly, were infected and who are now neither able to be carriers or reinfected. The problem is we cannot form public policy based on that unless it were proven to be the case.

There is nothing about COVID-19 that seems to be "particularly lethal" when looked at from a distance. But it seems to be selectively lethal for certain populations, though whether it's any worse than serious flu or similar is open to question.

We will have to end the worldwide (or nearly so) quarantines within a couple of months, at most, with some ending prior to others based on outbreak pattern. I expect Italy to actually go back to normal before we do, because they appear to have reached "peak corona" and there's not a whole lot more that they're going to be able to do after a couple more weeks.
 
britechguy said:
And I apologize if I have caused offense. As you pointed out in a part of your reply that I excised, there is so much insane garbage being spouted, and from those saying "restart the economy tomorrow," and, "we're going to have to be shut down probably for a year," that it is sometimes difficult to tell who's engaging in arch humor and who's just nuts. (And I hasten to add that both of those extremes are nuts.)

Personally, I think this pandemic is being blown completely out of proportion. But I am also sensitive to the fact that the populations that are vulnerable to COVID-19 becoming critical for them are really, really vulnerable and it is up to those of us who are able-bodied to take a conservative approach until more data comes in to allow better decision making.

I keep saying, and it's entirely my gut that leads me to believe this, that I believe there are already many millions who are or, more importantly, were infected and who are now neither able to be carriers or reinfected. The problem is we cannot form public policy based on that unless it were proven to be the case.

There is nothing about COVID-19 that seems to be "particularly lethal" when looked at from a distance. But it seems to be selectively lethal for certain populations, though whether it's any worse than serious flu or similar is open to question.

We will have to end the worldwide (or nearly so) quarantines within a couple of months, at most, with some ending prior to others based on outbreak pattern. I expect Italy to actually go back to normal before we do, because they appear to have reached "peak corona" and there's not a whole lot more that they're going to be able to do after a couple more weeks.
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Covid 19 is NOT anywhere as lethal as the spanish flu epidemic of 1918 millions died i think they are blowing covid 19 way out of proportion most do not even know they have it even the while they are spreading it some have no symptoms at all also the ones that have died of it were 80-90 years old with multiple health issues.
Sure there were some young people that died from it but i know a young person died from having a tonsillectomy or having a tooth extracted things like that happen all the time.
Another example kid in states had cancer was nowhere near being terminal state forced parents to have the kid put on chemotherapy the kid had a reaction to it and died instantly.
 
I saw these comments in a reddit post about an article where Bill Gates said "The US missed it's chance to avoid a shutdown". I think this is what is going to happen if Trump gets impatient and thinks he can just order people back to work. I guess we will see how it all plays out in a month.

"This is what they don't seem to get. Lifting restrictions won't actually help that much if nobody wants to go out. The White House sees this as an economic issue rather than a public health issue. Trump doesn't seem to grasp that the public health issue is the causation of the economic issues. You cannot fix the economic issues without addressing the public health issues that are causing people to not want to travel or spend money."

Also this is what Bill Gates said

“It’s very tough to say to people, ’Hey keep going to restaurants, go buy new houses, ignore that pile of bodies over in the corner, we want you to keep spending because there’s some politician that thinks GDP growth is what counts,”

And then this guy

"Opening up the country will have disastrous effects, to both human life and the economy. What will happen is that some (idiots) will go about life as usual, some will be forced to work, but many many people will continue to stay home or keep their businesses temporarily closed.

What will this do? It will cause BOTH the economy to fail and people to die as COVID-19 spreads rapidly through the population inundating hospitals indirectly killing thousands of those with AND without COVID-19 (think of those that need surgeries / medical attention and cant get it due to an overwhelmed medical system), AND it will cause the economy to fail as millions continue to stay home as their fear of cocid-19 INCREASES as the result of knowing that others are free to carry it about the populous while at the same time businesses will stay closed to ensure the safety of their workers (and if they open they will open to a severely depressed demand base).

This will end in a long, protracted recession/depression on top of a massive loss of life. And if you think China/Russia were aggressive towards the U.S. before wait until they see us at our weakest as our country impales itself with a foolish decision of reopening the country as COVID-19 skyrockets."
 
Porthos said:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nsylvania-grocery-store-35-k-food/2913809001/
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Words fail me.

When I read stories of the countless thousands of medical staff and volunteers, putting their own health at risk working hard to combat this virus, I feel a sense of hope that mankind might actually be capable of uniting in the face of adversity to defeat the common enemy. Then I read stories like this, or see the despicable and selfish behaviour of many, fighting over food in supermarkets, bickering and voicing their hatred of others. I just feel ashamed to be human at times.
 
Moltuae said:
Words fail me.
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Well I have some, but with the correct gender spin on Auntie Em from The Wizard of Oz: "Being a Christian woman, I can't say them!!"

It would be insane to propose laws against something like this, as how often would they ever be needed. However, if ever there were a case where public shaming in the court of public opinion is called for, this is it. I hope that woman's local papers, and anyone who witnessed this occurring and can identify her, will publicly do so and that she is shunned.

Beyond the pale doesn't even begin to describe how loathsome this behavior was. Even if it was a stupid prank horribly gone wrong, occurring without thought, there should be a price to pay for abject lack of thought and consideration during a major crisis.
 
TechLady said:
That sounds a lot like our "president" and is one reason it's now spiraling out of our control. Not taking it seriously has consequences.

Please read this and then tell me if you think it's "blown out of proportion."

(Everyone should read that, btw).
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Sorry, but from where I sit, that's precisely the kind of hyperventilating prose that defines "blown out of proportion." Most of what's in that article describes viral multiplication for any virus, including the common cold, and it tries to portray COVID-19 as some kind of frankenvirus.

COVID-19 is a novel corona virus, one among many, that has particularly devastating results, mostly among the elderly or medically fragile, with some exceptions, and that is highly transmissible because it's novel. Because of that, and that alone, as well as what we have witnessed in the hotspots so far, fully justifies the measures being taken.

Purple prose isn't helpful. Particularly when it is meant to terrify when that's the last thing we need.
 
Now there are line-ups just to get into the grocery stores the wait times on avg are 20-25 mins this is crazy because your in a lineup with a bunch of other people lol how does that help???.

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