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Is there a cliff notes version of what this is about. Never heard of either and I not one to listen to conspiracy radio shows podcasts.
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TLDR - How the global elite and wealthiest companies and individuals are pilfering the USA and the world at large; profiting and using the pandemic crisis, to do in days, what took months/years to do in 2008-9 and a broad explanation of this crisis dwarfing previous crisis due to the amount of theft going on.

Dylan Ratigan was/is: the Global Managing director for Corporate finance at Bloomberg News, Host of Fast Money, contributer to CNBC, MSNBC, and The Young Turks. Won an award for his coverage of the Enron scandal. He now runs a hedge fund and investment firm.

Jimmy Dore is a Comedian turned comedic talk show host in where he logically debunks conspiracy theories and corporate media, equally distributing blame among party lines and exposing macro elements of our world society.

Dylan Ratigan is infamous for his righteous fiery remarks during the 2008 financial crisis here:
 
I don't think the government should be on the hook for covid-19 business interruptions we are paying large amounts of money for insurance i think the insurance companies should be footing some of this under every business policy it is listed thing is they say they only covers fire say a business in strip mall besides you burns thus you have to close and is covered but covid-19 is not??.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/business/thomas-keller-lawsuit-coronavirus-losses/index.html
 
That is an interesting thing... here in AZ the car insurance providers are required to fund anything related to an "act of God". So do the general liability policies? That's certainly a legal question that needs answering, but my gut says no... no insurance company wants to underwrite a risk this big. It's just too darned big.

Only governments can handle such issues well, and that's from this near libertarian's point of view.

Of course if our governments had BRAINS we wouldn't be in this mess because they would have contained it months ago.
 
You can be quite certain that the pandemic will fall under "Act of God" clauses for all insurances other than health.

I would expect nothing else.
 
Viewers of Sean Hannity more likely to die from COVID-19 than those of Tucker Carlson: study

Link to the study: https://bfi.uchicago.edu/working-paper/2020-44

"Carlson warned viewers about the threat posed by the coronavirus from early February, while Hannity originally dismissed the risks associated with the virus before gradually adjusting his position starting late February," the researchers wrote in the working paper. The two hosts diverged greatly on the issue in February. While Hannity expressed optimism that "zero people in the United States have died from the coronavirus," Carlson warned viewers that the virus could kill 1 million people across the country.

The researchers commissioned a poll of more than 1,000 Fox News viewers, which found that Carlson's viewers were more likely to change their behavior earlier than Hannity's viewers. "We find that Hannity's viewers on average changed their behavior in response to the coronavirus five days later than other Fox News viewers, while Carlson's viewers changed behavior three days earlier than other Fox News viewers," the paper said. The researchers then compared the death rate in counties that favored either host, finding "approximately 30% more COVID-19 cases" in areas that preferred Hannity than those that watched Carlson. "Already by mid-March, we see a statistically significant difference — that there are greater case loads in places that favor Hannity over Tucker," researcher David Yanagizawa-Drott told The Chicago Tribune. "Then weeks later, we see a similar trajectory increase for deaths."

Another good read:

I Knew Coronavirus Denier Landon Spradlin. His Death Wasn’t a Punchline.

"It’s absolutely fair to criticize Landon for his reckless decision. He put himself and his family at risk. If his condition had worsened only a couple of days later, he might have inadvertently started an outbreak in my hometown and put my immunocompromised relatives at risk. He was a grown man who made a terrible choice and paid an awful price.

But he was no different from the average Republican in my hometown. They may not share his religious views, but they expressed the same skepticism regarding the pandemic, and some still congregate in public places without regard for social distance. They aren’t doing it because they think God will give them immunity to disease, and they aren’t going out to restaurants to save souls. They’re doing it because they don’t take the problem seriously enough, thanks to right-wing media outlets that downplayed the pandemic even as the numbers ticked up."
 
TechLady said:
I Knew Coronavirus Denier Landon Spradlin. His Death Wasn’t a Punchline.

"It’s absolutely fair to criticize Landon for his reckless decision.
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One usually has to do some digging to find the whole truth behind some of these high-profile deaths that get a lot of publicity. What isn't mentioned by most of the articles about him is that, according to his family, he had lifelong asthma and bronchitis. That and his age (66) put him solidly in the high-risk category that should be being very careful, and probably quarantining themselves. Seems like the articles would be more truthful, and therefore more helpful, if they'd pointed that out.
 
Well it is official you can catch covid-19 more than once and spread it multiple times on a small amount of already infected people who recovered from it.

Being a person who had it not sure i even want to go back out into public even if you recover from it there are long lasting health issues because of mutations it now is causing cardiac and circulation issues in people who were exposed i am having issues with my feet and toes atm not fun.

Sars which is very close to covid-19 to this date STILL has no vaccine the chance that one can be made even in 5 years is VERY slim to none coivd-19 is tricky beast you see you don`t die from the disease itself it causes gene mutations of latent issues that are in your genes but not active it can activate any number of genes that are dormant.
 
@Galdorf We have a vaccine... https://www.upmc.com/media/news/040220-falo-gambotto-sars-cov2-vaccine

It was originally developed for SARS, and yes... for that one it's known to work. It's also known to work for MERS. And it's highly likely it works for SARS-COV-2 as well, but time... as with all things is needed.

We also do not know if you can get it over and over again, that's "not official". But it is sadly very possible. It seems unlikely, as there are other explanations. But, we don't really know, and it'll be years before we do.
 
nlinecomputers said:
His vivid imagination....
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https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...velt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again

https://www.latimes.com/world-natio...n-korea-coronavirus-reinfection-test-positive

i can also post dozens of links to other instances as well the virus can mutate thus any antibodies to original virus won`t help in this case because the change from mutation number of instances of this happening are in the thousands.

Two possible scenarios the virus mutated just as they got over the original infection and they became re-infected with a different strain or they got infected from another source which had a different strain from another person.
 
The LA Times article dates from 2 months ago and way less was known then than now.

The NPR article makes the point that reinfection after very mild initial infection (and not just for coronavirus) is not even close to unheard of.

"Public health experts are trying to learn more about why patients sometimes test positive for the coronavirus after appearing to recover. As NPR has reported, authorities in South Korea have documented a growing number of such cases. Health officials have said they believe the virus may be capable of becoming dormant and later reactivating in some people's immune systems.

Stanley Perlman, a professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Iowa, recently told NPR's Nell Greenfieldboyce that patients who recover from the virus may have at least some level of protection from it in the future, but much remains unknown.

"Based on other infections where you get a deep lung infection, you are usually protected against the second infection. If you just have a mild COVID-19 infection that involves your upper airway, maybe it will behave like a common cold coronavirus and maybe you can be reinfected again," Perlman said. "We just really don't know. It's even hard to speculate.""

I'm betting with the immunologists such as Stanley Perlman. Immunity to many things is not forever, but it need not be in order for things to become much, much closer to normal in the coming months and years. That's how things generally work, and it's silly, at this juncture, to believe that Covid-19 is the great exception.
 
@Galdorf
Thanks for your bravery to sharing your experience.

Could you tell us more about:
-Your initial symptoms, perhaps the symptoms order and at what time intervals?
-How you were diagnosed?
-Who and how you were advised to treat it? Did it work? Or you tried your own treatment that worked?
-Was the diagnosis carried out at home? Online? Or at a hospital?

Hope it is not coming across intrusive and disrespectful... just want to learn, if you are ok with sharing more.
 
Seems the economy is really tanking here walked by competition stores they had landlord notices on doors seems it might be worth opening up after all phones were dead for 3 months no calls now getting calls now that stores can re-open with rules hopefully all goes well getting really bored of sitting at home.
When i started business i was so busy for years when covid-19 hit it stalled need to figure a way to get back to where i was but this economy is not helping unless i startup in another city this one seems to be dying.
 
And the big news tonight is that it appears that certain Covid-19 tests for those who had the illness were showing false positives for active infection after recovery. I doubt this is limited to Korea, but is a feature/bug of the test itself. First suspicions about a possible flaw in the test are from about a month ago (see last journal article) and the popular press started picking this up about 2.5 weeks ago. I have only seen broadcast media reporting that the Korean CDC is revising their numbers and claims of reinfection this evening:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/south-korea-coronavirus-reinfections-false-positives

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...nfected-coronavirus-cases-are-false-positives

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/can-recovered-patients-test-positive-again_l_5e8c88c6c5b6e1a2e0fa481a

https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...ated-cases-not-reinfected-experts-2020-4?op=1

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1498
 
I don`t know how things are in your area but here the amount of businesses going out of business just got worse we lost newspaper has been around over 100 years many dental surgeons packed up and left.
Since weather here is really nice i decided to look around and found many have closed for good this covid-19 shutdown has had a huge effect on the economy here.
The only companies that did not get hit and even made more money than ever before grocery stores and Walmart and also Cosco as well as hydro companies and online retailers like Amazon and Ebay.
 
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Now we are a cashless society - we need to use cards for transactions. Swearing involved...The real Neville Bartos was one of my clients. Neville was a made up name for the movie.

 
I hate to say it but i think the president is in total denial that covid exists now he gone as far as cutting funding for testing and claiming its gone reasons why are.

1. he wants his businesses to stay open and win the election no matter what does not care if millions die.
2. He is mentally unstable living in a world of his own.

At this rate the US is now behind every major country in management and is headed for disaster too bad we really need money from tourism but at current rate border will not open for years.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/texas-coronavirus-testing-trump-funding/index.html
 
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