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JoeTech said:
ignore that pile of bodies over in the corner
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This is exactly the type of irresponsible comments that increases public anxiety when it needs to be reduced. We're not going to have piles of bodies on the side walk. Just like we're not going to have sanitation trucks driving around blaring "bring out your dead".

Social media has completely distorted public communications. To the point that traditional outlets now rush to beat social media to the punch with equally distorted communications.

Sure the burden on the health care system will be very difficult, especially for a coddled society like ours. But I'm pretty sure that the economic malaise over the next 5-10 years will be much worse. The '08 downturn pushed a number of countries close to insolvency, but none actually failed. This time around could be different. The domino effect is not some scholarly theory.
 
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This is exactly the type of irresponsible comments that increases public anxiety when it needs to be reduced.
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Sure the burden on the health care system will be very difficult, especially for a coddled society like ours. But I'm pretty sure that the economic malaise over the next 5-10 years will be much worse. The '08 downturn pushed a number of countries close to insolvency, but none actually failed. This time around could be different. The domino effect is not some scholarly theory.
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But that part of the statement is the only irresponsible part of it, and I'm actually shocked it came from Bill Gates (I'm assuming the report is accurate) as he knows better in more ways than one, having been involved in many public health crises around the globe through his foundation.

The idea that hyperbole will make anyone who doesn't take this seriously already do so is grossly misguided. It will increase skepticism and push back on "these ridiculous statements." And that's entirely predictable.

I don't think there's going to be anything like a 5 to 10 year malaise. It will take a couple of years for things to come back to the new normal, which will be a bit more subdued than the insane irrational exuberance of the last several years.

Heaven knows I wouldn't have wished this pandemic under any circumstances, but even without it we are long, long overdue for a market correction. "The fundamentals of the market" have been based on irrational exuberance for some time now. And those bubbles invariably burst. This deflation was particularly fast and has gone further than it would have otherwise. People will be in a very big rush to get back to normal (or the new normal) as soon as this pandemic passes.
 
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britechguy said:
Sorry, but from where I sit, that's precisely the kind of hyperventilating prose that defines "blown out of proportion."
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There was nothing hysterical about that. Or this one either:

How the Pandemic Will End
The U.S. may end up with the worst COVID-19 outbreak in the industrialized world. This is how it’s going to play out.

That's from the Atlantic, and if anybody thinks that's a hysterical and unreliable source then just move along, we have nothing to talk about.

I get it: this stuff is scary, and people don't like being frightened and nervous. But you know what? They absolutely SHOULD be. In the coming months, all the people braying about how it's "not that bad" are going to be looking like the proverbial stupid ostriches with heads in the ground. Should we panic? Absolutely not. Fact: you don't need to panic in order to take this seriously. But STOP SAYING IT'S OVERBLOWN. I was in the medical field before tech, and I'm telling you it's not. If you continue saying this--like our President--then you are absolutely part of the problem. You will be this guy.
 
"A recent analysis from the University of Pennsylvania estimated that even if social-distancing measures can reduce infection rates by 95 percent, 960,000 Americans will still need intensive care. There are only about 180,000 ventilators in the U.S. and, more pertinently, only enough respiratory therapists and critical-care staff to safely look after 100,000 ventilated patients. Abandoning social distancing would be foolish. Abandoning it now, when tests and protective equipment are still scarce, would be catastrophic."

That's just math, not hysteria.
 
We will never agree on this. I do not believe instilling unwarranted fear with purple prose serves any purpose, you do.

I am sick of the idea that telling everyone, "We're all gonna die!!," helps ANYONE.

80% of those who have been infected with COVID-19 go on to recover with no need for hospitalization to begin with. Many of those hospitalized never get near to intensive care. Those things matter.

But with this I'm done, as I've done nothing but present facts and none of those seem to matter. But scaring people S-H-I-T-less appears to be a noble goal to some. Not me, thanks.

And I have never, even once, even intimated that ending social distancing measures until public health experts say we should is a good (or even tenable) idea. So, please, don't even try to indirectly intimate that I have.
 
Ok, if you think so. He is doing what he was voted into office to do. Lead the country. He's not a mastermind in health, he has tons of advisors. He has tons of administrators to run the programs and today, had others you voted into office vote for the 2T. It wasn't his vote. The guy has 1000 things going on at once here and to pounce on him during this time is ridiculous. Considering the economy is a top priority as well as the health decisions, but do you think he can really do **** about people making bad decisions right now? He can say "Stay home until Easter" and guess what...businesses and people will still do what they think they feel they should do. Stay home until things are safe.
 
britechguy said:
I am sick of the idea that telling everyone, "We're all gonna die!!," helps ANYONE
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At no point do any of those articles say that. They are simply pointing out the math that is likely to happen in different scenarios.

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...aggressive respiratory treatment may not help much, if at all (see Lancet article, though preliminary, Respiratory support for patients with COVID-19 infection by Silvio A Ñamendys-Silva, Published:March 05, 2020).
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52 people is a completely inadequate sample size to make pandemic-level determinations, sorry.

nlinecomputers said:
Trump is a dangerously narcissistic sociopath who is in complete denial of the scope of the disaster before him. His ignoring the advice of the science will get more people killed.
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Absolutely correct.

 
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Let's just hope that Biden or Bernie wins in November and see how things change. Personally, I feel Cuomo has a better chance at this point.
 
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And for reading that really, really should be done, and where the advice should be followed (whether COVID-19 were to disappear tomorrow or not - and it won't):

It's Time to Talk About Death by Sunita Puri, M.D.

I am blessed to have a family where this was done years ago for my parents, and my partner and I have already had this conversation. I'm medical power of attorney for a dear friend and I also know her exact wishes (or as close to exact as you can get on this). It is important that those who would be faced with making decisions for you when you can't have a very clear idea of what you would want. That takes a massive burden off of their shoulders.
 
Just thankful to have toilet paper and disenfectant spray. We had a 18 pack and had 7 rolls of Georgia Pacific commercial rolls we found at an office supply store. We went to the grocery store today and they had 12 packs so we bought some to be safe as our family has been using quite a bit lately. Then we went to Dollar General and my wife found DG brand disenfectant spray, Lysol basically.

What is sad is when the highlight of our Saturday was getting those 2 items.

To give an idea, we are over near St Louis. A friend of mine is looking for a new job and needed a cheap laptop. I had found a deal on an open box Dell business class system for 183 dollars. It was marked incomplete, so I'm thinking it needed a charger. Was a great deal, i5,b 8gb ram, 240gb ssd. But more cases have been reported in that area. I think in county there have been 3 cases, but there were close to 250 cases in the area over there. So he ended up buying a laptop at best buy. But just shows how much times have changed. Before everything, no question we'd have gotten the refurbished one.
 
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