Non Political COVID-19 virus thread

britechguy said:
From the New York Times: Virus Conspiracists Elevate a New Champion

A video showcasing baseless arguments by Dr. Judy Mikovits, including attacks on Dr. Anthony Fauci, has been viewed more than eight million times in the past week.

Seem familiar?

This is why careful consideration of the source(s) is at the very foundation of critical thinking.
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@britechguy
Have you watched the movie vaxxed2 (vaxxed2.com)?
I am curious on two things:
-If you believe the victims are real or not? If yes, then:
-Why was there so much pressure in pulling the movie, which they accomplished, from all mainstream media sources?
 
Looking for proof of a flat Earth all around the globe.

Now for those of you with brains... Vaxxed was written and directed by Andrew Wakefield. A former gastroenterologist. For people that have hard times with large words, that's a doctor that specializes in the digestive tract. He also holds a patent on a Measles only vaccine, that he claims is safe, despite not having the medical background to make such a claim. He would however financially benefit greatly if the world wanted such a product, despite the fact that we've all moved onto a single shot for several diseases.

There are 10 million MMRs given each year in the US alone. It has a negative reaction rate of 0.03%. Which means about 300,000 kids in the US per year have some sort of problem with the vaccine. Now, some of these problems are quite severe, and shouldn't be downplayed... but this is a game of relative risk.

Without the above, 1 in 5 people with the Measles alone goes into the hospital. 1 in 1,000 suffer brain damage... That's 0.1% for those that can't do math. Another 0.1% die. These complications are several orders of magnitude more devastating than the risk of the MMR vaccine used today.

You'll also note I haven't even touched on the damage caused by Mumps or Rubella.

That's why the movie was pulled, it's medically unsubstantiated garbage, written by an unqualified idiot trying to make money off fear.

There, I've accounted for the entire basis for that idiot movie, so the rest of us sane people can not waste brain cells on it.

Gambling is a tax on people that can't do math. In this case, the gambling risks someone else's life. I think the anti-vaxer morons of the world should simply be grateful more governments haven't decided to suspend their rights and vaccinate them anyway. If the social damage from such a thing wasn't worse than the poison to begin with...

TLDR, this is why we can't have nice things.
 
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britechguy said:
I'll take my error over your inability to be logically consistent any day.
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There's a HUGE difference between an actual crime motivated by hate vs. words being spoken to someone. A "hate crime" would be a crime whether it's motivated by race or something totally different. For example:

1. In Crime A, someone shoots someone in order to steal their phone. The crime is motivated by money/personal gain. The victim dies.

2. In Crime B, someone shoots someone else just because they hate that person's race. The crime is motivated by hate and can therefore be classified as a "hate crime." Just like in Crime A, the victim dies.

The end result is the same. The only thing that's different are the motivations of the criminal. Whether the criminal is racist or not has no bearing as to the seriousness of the crime. The victim is killed in both instances.

I can go up to a black person and call them the N word and say that their mother is a smelly whatever. That's not a "hate crime." That's me being an asshole. If the person I was being an asshole to decided to beat me up, they would have committed an actual crime (assault). I would be guilty of being an asshole but you can't lock someone up for being an asshole.

On the other hand if I was posting on social media a plan to go shoot up a black church, that is NOT free speech, that's a threat and should be taken seriously be the authorities. I should be arrested/interrogated and probably assessed by a mental health professional.

The purpose of the law is to keep order and protect people. It is not the police's job to protect you from hurt feelings or from being offended. As a society we shun people who are being assholes and assholes very quickly learn not to be that way unless they have some sort of mental problem.
 
Sky-Knight said:
Looking for proof of a flat Earth all around the globe.
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That, and, to briefly reprise your central tenet, most people are utterly incapable of performing any sort of accurate risk assessment. And that's not limited to vaccinations, by any stretch.

It is almost impossible to convince some of the truth that correlation does not prove causation. It often implies it, and often that implication is incorrect. (I take issue with those who state that correlation does not imply causation, because implication is often there, but it doesn't prove that the implication is valid. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=correlation+does+not+prove+causation)

Driving or riding in a car is many, many, many orders of magnitude more risky than vaccination, and far more likely to result in negative outcomes. Yet I doubt you'd find a single anti-vaxxer who's going to give up their motorized transportation without a huge battle. Logical consistency is not the strong suit of most humans, some more so than others.
 
@britechguy As an owner of an MSP, the ability to perform an accurate threat assessment, and the associated risk assessment is essential to perform my function in the marketplace.

Which is another way to say, I'm astonished at what passes as "professional" these days.
 
Well i can tell you getting covid-19 is no fun as i got hit with it just before the gyms closed some guy was coughing up a storm had to self isolate never been so sick chills fevers persistent dry cough and pneumonia and covid-toes.
Still at home my business is on hold till covid-19 sweeps through the population been binge watching all tv series and movies making music with daws been over 30 days since not taking any chances they say you can catch it more than once.
Things are grim around here businesses are closing and filing for bankruptcy at record rates many had assets ceased lots of empty store fronts for rent now.

The cost of food is going up meat there is a shortage here you are only allowed to buy so much food plants are going down fast due to covid-19 since most of my work is with malls and cineplex really don`t have any work till they re-open too bad though they were replacing old servers and systems just before they closed.
 
Moltuae said:
We all get to observe a huge natural selection experiment! :D
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True, and for those who refuse inoculated sans a medical reason for doing so, it's a, "Hey, you, out of the gene pool!," situation. What I worry about is the very many others who will die as a direct result of these idiot walking vectors being about, either because they haven't been inoculated yet, it hasn't taken yet, or they cannot be inoculated secondary to a medical reason.

The very idea that vaccinations, one of the greatest public health triumphs in human history, and that have prevented untold sickness, suffering, and death, are being attacked as dangerous and to be avoided by idiots, and taken seriously by other idiots, is beyond infuriating. I can honestly say that I use the word hate very sparingly, but I truly hate those who preach anti-vax garbage. Willful stupidity deserves not one scintilla of respect.
 
@britechguy As you've pointed out earlier that willful ignorance permeates our society. Which means I get to keep a bullet for my own son in my emergency supplies, because I'm not sure when we're going to fall into anarchy, but the western world is inching closer every day.

Anti-Vaxers are just the left's "deplorables", comparable to the right's rednecks / hillbillies / American Taliban. Which only proves that tribalism, and paranoia are incurable parts of the human condition sadly. All this amplified because social media affords more profit on propaganda than actual news.
 
Sky-Knight said:
@britechguy Anti-Vaxers are just the left's "deplorables", comparable to the right's rednecks / hillbillies / American Taliban. Which only proves that tribalism, and paranoia are incurable parts of the human condition sadly. All this amplified because social media affords more profit on propaganda than actual news.
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While I will not even attempt to argue that the anti-vax movement has its roots in the American left spectrum of politics, its pernicious influence has long ago spread to the radical right, too.

And the very idea that "social media" and "citizen journalist" are anywhere near close to one and the same is downright dangerous. One thing the professional press has done in western democracies that has been the most valuable is being a gatekeeper for accuracy (read: truth) over the course of about 100 years now (as the early press was the rough equivalent of today's social media). I am actually shocked that so many people, who really should know better based on their own life experience, buy in to the idea that the mainstream media is "the problem" while every moron on social media has "the inside scoop that no one else is willing to report." Willful stupidity, writ large.
 
I don't care for either of the sides: republican or democrat, vaccination or not, flat earth or sphere, etc. None of these things really affect me directly and probably don't deserve the attention and stress in debates.
I care about the truth.
With that in mind, while I acknowledge that there is a lot of garbage on social media channels and manipulation in similar fashion like the big media, I am shocked how easily some people could fully believe traditional media channels, like national TV and newspapers, which are publicly traded companies (for profit to make shareholders happy). Also, if we were to put a patriotic spin on it, we should consider that some are not even owned by Americans.
Anyways... not much more to say. Everybody takes a stand based on their belief system and will live or die by it.
Always: analyze the "Why", not the "What" to understand why it motivates somebody or a group to do something.
 
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This is for stats/proof type guys to see where we are nowadays compared to the past and where we are going as a nation:
Though he is explaining well, don't listen to the host (can mute him), just pause and study the charts, which come from state or government related sources. I wonder what would happen if they played this on National TV about 5 hours a day, 5 days a week?!?
 
Oh Heaven help me... not the gold standard stupidity again... It's the financial version of anti-vax...

I need to spend some time looking in the mirror, so I can figure out why I have this train wreck watching impulse to click on anything you post... I do it, and 5min later I want my 5min of life back.

Gold Standard? You're talking about putting our currency into the hands of the world's gold miners... And who is that?

1.) China
2.) Austrialia
3.) Russia
4.) US

Now... The Aussies I'm game with... but the other two already have too much influence over the US dollar, they don't need MORE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gold_production
 
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Alright, sorry, I wasted your time. If the charts themselves don't speak for themselves, that I will declare myself the biggest moron around, per previous posts. Going in my cave for good.
 
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