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You the one claiming that people are dying of cancer or traffic accidents and being labeled as Covid. How is that not fake? The only difference is degree.
Would you take a Coronavirus Vaccine
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How did this post turn into a Facebook mommy group? 
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Don't diss Mumsnet. They will find you, and they will hurt you.How did this post turn into a Facebook mommy group?
Hmmmm? - Yet all the other airborne transmissible disease (flu, etc.) cases went down as mask wearing proved effective and cut the incidents of those also. I thought you were looking at the data?
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The general principle that reducing the amount of flying aerosols will reduce (note, reduce, not eliminate) transmission should be one that does not even require stating anymore. As you've so aptly noted, this is very, very old news from very, very longstanding practice in other parts of the world.
What both infuriates me and makes me scratch my head is the number of actual mask wearers I see who keep them positioned only over their mouthes, with their noses exposed (and I'm not talking an accidental slip here). When you sneeze or cough, there's a very substantial amount of aerosol ejected from your nose as well as your mouth. In addition, though the "protects you" end of masks is far less than the "protects others from you if you're a carrier" end, you do get some protection from making it more difficult for aerosols to enter your nose that are blocked and deflected (there's lots of just deflected, but some of those end up on your skin rather than in your nasal tissue) by a mask covering your nose.
I think of masks as largely akin to mosquito netting where it's used. It's not a perfect solution, but it's such a vast improvement over using nothing that one just uses it.
The perfect should not, in the case of transmissible diseases, be the enemy of the good.
The hard part is convincing so many simpletons who only think in black and white. To them if it doesn't work 100% then it doesn't work at all.
You know why else he deserves a place in hell?
Senator Rand Paul failed to disclose for more than a year wife's purchase of COVID-19 drug maker's shares
In early 2020, Kentucky lawmaker's wife bought stock in a company that developed coronavirus treatment.
www.cbsnews.com
While he was singing the song of "Kung Flu" and freedums they were actually investing in the pandemic. The more people that listen to these asshats and drag the pandemic out...the more fucking money they make. Ghouls, all of them.
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Rand Paul is, quite simply, a loathsome piece of work.
I've achieved...SUPERHUMAN status with hybrid immunity 
www.npr.org
New Studies Find Evidence Of 'Superhuman' Immunity To COVID-19 In Some Individuals
That's how some scientists describe the findings of a series of studies looking at the antibodies created by individuals who were infected by the coronavirus and then had an mRNA vaccine.
www.npr.org
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Yeah the numbers for those that have recovered from COVID AND vaccinated are NUTS!I've achieved...SUPERHUMAN status with hybrid immunity
New Studies Find Evidence Of 'Superhuman' Immunity To COVID-19 In Some Individuals
That's how some scientists describe the findings of a series of studies looking at the antibodies created by individuals who were infected by the coronavirus and then had an mRNA vaccine.
Usually I read descriptors like "superhuman" and discount them, but the numbers in this case back up the idea.
Which is incredibly encouraging, it means the vaccines are working, and our bodies are as incredible as ever and between the two... we're going to beat this thing. It might actually not be endemic forever...
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I got my first Pfizer last week - second one end of Oct.
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Two month gap, following the new science on it... nice!
My wife and I have to go get a 3rd now because we were in the first wave that only waited 2 weeks.
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Very little ever is. Infectious vectors only remain "novel" for a period of time before "the host(s)" begin to develop defenses against them. It's what they do during that period of time, and how widespread and/or awful the resulting illness is, that's the real complicating factor.
I'm actually surprised to hear about your 2-week follow-up shot. They weren't doing that here in Virginia all the way back at the beginning of the year. It was always a 4 week minimum wait between initial shot and second.
I, of course, am one of the "select few" (relatively speaking) to have received the J&J single-shot vaccine. We're orphans, pretty much, as far as ongoing research in comparison to what's being monitored with the 2-shot vaccines.
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lol. I am looking at the data. I'm also looking at the 47+ mask studies, many of which are peer-reviewed. Masks do not work for any airborne transmissible diseases. Many cases were misdiagnosed as covid that were actually just the flu. They are changing how to test for it because the PCR test can't accurately tell the difference between the 2.
And, @putz, it's more than that. If masks worked 90%, 70%, or even 30%, I'd wear one. But 2%?! And, in a lot of cases (because no one knows how to actually wear one properly), they cause more harm than good (32 of the studies I mentioned above show that).
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Citation, please? And with repeated study.
Nothing I've read recently reflects this number.
Scholarly, Peer-Reviewed Articles on Mask Efficacy
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I can certainly see the point that it is important to note in a study of the efficacy of masks being a lab study vs real world testing to account for common issues with improper wearing of masks and other human factors a lab test may and likely won't account for. I am not saying I have reviewed any studies or links provided to suggest this is or is not being done in them it is merely an impartial observance of an important factor in how numbers from a study may or may not represent real world application.
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I can believe real world misuse of masks negates their effectiveness to almost nill. But while they're not effective themselves, they do a decent job of keeping the fact that we're in a pandemic top of mind. That has multiple real effects on people that change behavior, and that shift in behavior results in a reduction of spread.
So from where I'm standing, even if the mask is worthless, due to the above it has value.
Also... scientists aren't stupid and mask studies outside of lab conditions are quite the norm. So I'll let those people that are good at that do that, and focus my efforts on keeping my clients online because that's what I'm good at. And while I'm at it, I'll be in N95 masks for the foreseeable future because I do wear them correctly. And it's not in my best interest to get sick, or to get my customers sick.
So from where I'm standing, even if the mask is worthless, due to the above it has value.
Also... scientists aren't stupid and mask studies outside of lab conditions are quite the norm. So I'll let those people that are good at that do that, and focus my efforts on keeping my clients online because that's what I'm good at. And while I'm at it, I'll be in N95 masks for the foreseeable future because I do wear them correctly. And it's not in my best interest to get sick, or to get my customers sick.
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I believe that these types of mask only work 2% of the time, but not N95's:
These are surgical masks meant to protect patients on the operating table from the doctor, not the doctor from an airborne disease. And before you go telling me that the coronavirus is small enough to get through an N95 mask, the main mode of transmission is through droplets, which are much larger than the virus itself. The droplets would have to be the size of golf balls for the surgical mask to do any good though. The only benefit to wearing cloth masks and surgical masks is that they reduce the velocity and distance of expelled particles if worn by somebody who's infected. Better than nothing, but it protects other people way more than it protects the wearer.
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And that's precisely their purpose now, but you can scratch the doctor specific part.
If worn over the mouth and nose, and with even a fairly decent fit and "pinch seal" around the nose, the purpose of wearing them is to contain your (and you are the doctor, if the prior scenario is used) aerosols from making it out and available for infecting others. They're not meant, primarily, to protect you.
But having millions of people not spewing their aerosols into the air who are infected, even cutting down on those to a significant extent (which properly fitted masks do) absolutely, positively has the effect of protecting you, personally.
Public health measures are very often about taking personal action not for oneself, but for the community at large, and accruing any personal benefits from others doing the same.
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The problem is that requires mass compliance. If you're sitting in a doctor's waiting room with 20 other people and only ONE a$$hole isn't wearing a mask, you could all get infected if all you're wearing is a surgical mask. Surgical masks work great in a sensible country like Japan, but here in the land of the "free to kill people," you'd better be wearing an N95 if you want any personal protection.
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