Would you take a Coronavirus Vaccine

[britechguy]

The problem is that requires mass compliance. If you're sitting in a doctor's waiting room with 20 other people and only ONE a$$hole isn't wearing a mask, you could all get infected if all you're wearing is a surgical mask. Surgical masks work great in a sensible country like Japan, but here in the land of the "free to kill people," you'd better be wearing an N95 if you want any personal protection.

Again, you're using a "the perfect is the enemy of the good" argument.

I don't even disagree with the scenario you present, but right now, in most doctors' waiting rooms, you don't have the choice of being there unmasked. They get to make those rules.

I'm currently working on a production of Clue, that will be live and on stage tomorrow night, and the theater (and it's an outdoor theater, at that) has declared that the audience members all must be masked. This "personal freedom" BS ends where your personal freedom conflicts with that of others. Not to mention that you have no right to do as you see fit in "someone else's home" (where that's a metaphor for any private venue).

And, again, the reason for wearing masks is not personal protection, but protection of the larger public should you happen to be a carrier. If there is only one person in a room who happened to be infected, and they happened to be wearing a mask, that definitely imparts protection to all others that would not be present otherwise. That's why I support mask mandates in schools and vaccine mandates more broadly.

 

[Philippe]

Always wearing a N95 mask, I wonder why I should go with a less protective one...

 

[sapphirescales]

This "personal freedom" BS

I am EXTREMELY supportive of personal freedom. In fact, I'd say personal freedom is one of the most important things in the world. I'm 100% AGAINST involuntary lockdowns, but not having to obey a law or rule that says you have to wear a mask is NOT personal freedom. You have to wear clothes in public. That's the freaking law. If you break it, you're gonna get arrested. No one wants to see your naked a$$. Needless to say, wearing a mask is even MORE important than wearing clothes. Unless you count someone having a heart attack after seeing your disgusting naked body, public nudity isn't a threat to public health. These anti-maskers are fine that there's laws saying you have to wear clothing, but they have a problem with masks? It makes no sense. If you're against mask mandates then by definition you also have to be against public indecency laws.

 

[pctechforhire]

These are surgical masks meant to protect patients on the operating table from the doctor, not the doctor from an airborne disease. And before you go telling me that the coronavirus is small enough to get through an N95 mask, the main mode of transmission is through droplets, which are much larger than the virus itself. The droplets would have to be the size of golf balls for the surgical mask to do any good though. The only benefit to wearing cloth masks and surgical masks is that they reduce the velocity and distance of expelled particles if worn by somebody who's infected. Better than nothing, but it protects other people way more than it protects the wearer.

If you don't know how to wear it, even an N95 is completely ineffective. People touch the front of it all the time. Or, they wear them too long. And I still argue that they do more harm than good, even if worn properly. My body is trying to expel toxins, and all the mask does is cause me to breath the junk right back in. This, among other reasons, is why I (IMHO) haven't caught the bug. I do not want my viral load increased because my mask is trapping the little buggers. And no, *I* wouldn't tell you that because I know that. I understand how masks work and how they are supposed to work. People...just like in computers...are the problem. If you want to lose every once of respect from me, tell me I have to wear a mask while pulling yours down from the front of it with your bare hand.

 

[pctechforhire]

If you're against mask mandates then by definition you also have to be against public indecency laws.

I understand what you're saying. I disagree, but I understand. At some point, you have to say enough is enough. What if someone said that wearing a hat is the decent thing to do? What if it became law that you had to wear a hat. The reason doesn't matter. It's the law. Are you going to be against public indecency when you don't wear a hat you're commanded to wear? The mask, IMHO (although there is PLENTY of evidence to support my opinion), serves no better purpose than being forced to wear a hat. There is no benefit either way. At what point do you say, enough is enough?

We are not robots who just follow orders to follow orders. There are good and obvious reasons for public indecency laws. There are no good and obvious reasons for a mask, ESPECIALLY when there is SO much evidence showing how much harm they cause.

And to carry my analogy to it's logical conclusion, I, personally, would be more likely to wear a hat since there is no harm in doing so. So maybe it's not the best analogy. But hopefully you see my point.

 

[Blues]

Always wearing a N95 mask, I wonder why I should go with a less protective one...

Main reason I saw a ways back was availability as early on the N95 were gone and it was just finding what one could get to do something instead of nothing. Now it is mostly a matter of what people have grown accustomed to using so not so much anyone downgrading just few bother to upgrade.

 

[TechLady]

lol. I am looking at the data. I'm also looking at the 47+ mask studies, many of which are peer-reviewed. Masks do not work for any airborne transmissible diseases. Many cases were misdiagnosed as covid that were actually just the flu. They are changing how to test for it because the PCR test can't accurately tell the difference between the 2.

And, @putz, it's more than that. If masks worked 90%, 70%, or even 30%, I'd wear one. But 2%?! And, in a lot of cases (because no one knows how to actually wear one properly), they cause more harm than good (32 of the studies I mentioned above show that).

<going back into ignore/lurk mode>

I don't know where you're getting your information from, but that is pure garbage. We recently went from 130,000 national cases of flu to 1,316. How did that happen? Magic? It was masking. Look, just admit you don't want to wear a mask and be done with it.

 

[TechLady]

Maybe 5G is here to take us all out lol. One doctor's theory is the last few pandemics were caused by rapid change. Like in 1918 radio waves etc. Somewhere in the 60's a bunch of new radar equipment etc. And now 5G towers big rollout...just a theory not here to debate it or argue it lol but seen it on bitchute and it seemed very interesting. Dr. Thomas Cowan

Oh, would you look at that...the very first result that comes up when you google his name.

 

[TechLady]

It's nearly impossible to really know the truth.

This is a fancy way of saying "I don't know what constitutes good sources or critical thinking skills so hey, maybe the guy who lost his medical license isn't a quack, maybe the earth is flat, kangaroos are probably aliens...I mean, we'll never really know."

Intellectual laziness.

 

[britechguy]

Lol this is why I don't debate online.

And why you shouldn't when someone speaks the incontrovertible truth.

Your prior implication could be called intellectually lazy at the very least. At least own what you're willing to baselessly assert.

 

[britechguy]

Oh, puhleeze!

Playing devil's advocate for the unpopular but potentially tenable is one thing. Giving the time of day to crackpot disinformation is just stupid. That's what you chose to do, and that carries meaning of its own.

 

[britechguy]

And you are willing to be blatantly intellectually and otherwise dishonest. No laughing.

 

[frase]

They are just juicin' us all up when the arrive..

 

[nlinecomputers]

lol. I am looking at the data. I'm also looking at the 47+ mask studies, many of which are peer-reviewed. Masks do not work for any airborne transmissible diseases. Many cases were misdiagnosed as covid that were actually just the flu. They are changing how to test for it because the PCR test can't accurately tell the difference between the 2.

And, @putz, it's more than that. If masks worked 90%, 70%, or even 30%, I'd wear one. But 2%?! And, in a lot of cases (because no one knows how to actually wear one properly), they cause more harm than good (32 of the studies I mentioned above show that).

<going back into ignore/lurk mode>

47? I'll just take one link, just ONE. But you aren't going to do that. So I have to rate what you say on the LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE level of trustworthiness. Seriously I invite you to shut me up with links I can read and evaluate for myself. I'll eat crow if you can prove it but I'm certain you can't.

 

[nlinecomputers]

This is a fancy way of saying "I don't know what constitutes good sources or critical thinking skills so hey, maybe the guy who lost his medical license isn't a quack, maybe the earth is flat, kangaroos are probably aliens...I mean, we'll never really know."

Intellectual laziness.

Hey now. Kangaroos really ARE aliens. Them are fightin' words.

 

[Sky-Knight]

Hey now. Kangaroos really ARE aliens. Them are fightin' words.

You can go fight the Kangaroos... I'll get the popcorn!

 

[TechLady]

Oh, puhleeze!

Playing devil's advocate for the unpopular but potentially tenable is one thing. Giving the time of day to crackpot disinformation is just stupid. That's what you chose to do, and that carries meaning of its own.

He's basically doing a form of sealioning.

 

[Sky-Knight]

He's basically doing a form of sealioning.

I hope you're right, the alternative is terrifying.

 

[britechguy]

the alternative is terrifying.

And given the lack of critical thinking skills exhibited by far too many, that alternative is far too likely.

Sealioning or any other form of trolling deserves a very prompt, direct, and measured rebuttal. It's not for the benefit of the troll, either. But engaging a troll, or the willfully stupid, in debate of any sort is just a colossal waste of time, energy, and cognitive resources best used elsewhere.

State the plain truth/facts and move on. Include references where necessary to back up your refutation. Most times, given the degree of divorce from reality in the claims made, there's really no pressing need. Some things are prima facie false. [Alternative facts, which are out and out lies, fit that paradigm.]

 

[GTP]