Would you take a Coronavirus Vaccine

[phaZed]

@phaZed The problem is, voting blue while better, isn't better enough to actually address any of that. And in many cases is objectively worse.

Politics gets so much better when you boil an issue down to "Does this work?"

I generally agree with the premise of voting blue (especially in local races), unfortunately, they're just as corrupt as the other side... I believe they are both there simply to compliment each other - to put on a show for us, the people. They (both) always vote against us for things that actually matter and what we want, it's only the inconsequential BS they fight about for TV to make it look like they're doing something.

DNC lawyers say that DNC leadership can pick whomever they want for their primary winner in a dark smoky room and the judge agreed, so it's apparent we have lost our Democracy and both parties are fine with it.

DNC to Court: We Are a Private Corporation With No Obligation to Follow Our Rules

ivn.us

We're seeing the "Brazilification" of the US now. This whole "Cares" package(s) and loans to everyone is going to be great for big-business when they come in and take everyone's properties, akin to 2008-2009 - it's not a bug, it's the feature. America is being wholesaled to the highest bidders. They sold us out. F the pledge of allegiance!

 

[Sky-Knight]

@phaZed Political parties in the US are unregulated private entities that can choose who they endorse via whatever means they want. And that is largely a good thing...

The problem is... the PEOPLE keep voting for them. The general elections are publicly run, and the candidates on the list are the ones that met the requirements to be there. This is independent of the two parties.

So in many ways if we want this to change, each and every one of us needs to STOP voting for any candidate in the two parties as defined. Though there are candidates in smaller elections in both parties that are trying to resist the corruption. So we could support those... but that requires study and involvement, both of which are functions of TIME. And none of us have that time while we work three jobs to keep food on the table. Heck... some of us are deluded enough to think such levels of output are NORMAL and should be actively sought and desired!

P.S. I don't like forced recitation of the Pledge either. But I dislike the Pledge itself because of that "Under God" bit... it was included via one of the worst examples of Executive overreach in American history. "Conservatives" should be up in arms about it, but nope... they love their "patriotic" rituals. Never mind the fact that there's nothing patriotic about it.

 

[phaZed]

Political parties in the US are unregulated private entities that can choose who they endorse via whatever means they want. And that is largely a good thing...

Ya, I'm not talking about endorsements... they literally picked Hillary, not Bernie, in 2016.. effectively making Trump president. Primary "elections" are NOT elections. They (Party) can pick whomever they want regardless of how the votes tally up.

 

[Dave 1973]

Had my 2nd Pfizer two weeks ago....so far....so good

 

[Sky-Knight]

Ya, I'm not talking about endorsements... they literally picked Hillary, not Bernie, in 2016.. effectively making Trump president. Primary "elections" are NOT elections. They (Party) can pick whomever they want regardless of how the votes tally up.

That's a critical bit of civics that isn't taught anymore... but yes this has always been true. The DNC in particular abandoned the voter after Dukakis lost to Reagan, and never went back. Which is why I keep reminding people that you can say what you want about the GOP. But, it has Trump as a leader today because of GOP voters! The GOP follows the WILL OF THE VOTER. Even if that will is crap...

Of course when that reality sinks in the last of your faith in humanity should be sinking along with it... but that's the nation we live in! woo!

A vocal minority of voters in one of two political parties, picks the options that get slapped on the general ballot the rest of us get to pick from.

Joy...

 

[Larry Sabo]

Been a week since my #2 AZ jab. FYI still alive and well.

Just had my first shot today, of Pfizer-BionTech, and still alive and well, too.

 

[nlinecomputers]

I would like to disagree with you @britechguy, but for fear of turning this thread into something else entirely, I'll shoot a DM over.

Start a new topic! Some of us are lurking and want to see the conversation.

 

[nlinecomputers]

Summon the krac...dammit the @Kitten Kong. can we get a topic split?

 

[Kitten Kong]

I've moved a couple of posts over to the new thread.

 

[nlinecomputers]

Link? Not seeing this

 

[Kitten Kong]

Sorry, took me a couple of mins to locate it also.

Covid Vaccine chat

A vocal minority of voters in one of two political parties, picks the options that get slapped on the general ballot the rest of us get to pick from. And this is different than it's ever been since primaries have been the choice mechanism how, exactly? I'm not arguing with you about the...

www.technibble.com

 

[Galdorf]

I am not to sure i would take the vaccine i know a some people personally that had it and died of complications as a result it is just too new and not tested long enough nobody knows the long term effects of getting these every 6 months.

 

[britechguy]

Since you don't take 'em every six months, and your claims about deaths from vaccine complications have absolutely no basis in fact (no, that you say you know someone, yet no researcher has ever found a single case, well), that rules out anything except prompt dismissal as nonsense, with prejudice.

 

[SAFCasper]

My current thoughts, which I explained to a friend with doubts just the other day....

Worldwide the total number of vaccines administered is nearly 550 million with not a single death or serious side-effect recorded**. Just going on pure numbers alone do you expect to be that 1 in 550 million to take badly when nobody else has?

For a bit of perspective the odds of winning the Euro millions are 1 in 134 million. US Powerball is 1 in 292 million.


** By serious side-effect I mean something life-threatening or permanently life-changing. I don't consider feeling unwell for a few weeks a serious side effect. You get over that and move on.
Please correct with a legitimate source if I'm wrong here.

 

[Galdorf]

My current thoughts, which I explained to a friend with doubts just the other day....

Worldwide the total number of vaccines administered is nearly 550 million with not a single death or serious side-effect recorded**. Just going on pure numbers alone do you expect to be that 1 in 550 million to take badly when nobody else has?

For a bit of perspective the odds of winning the Euro millions are 1 in 134 million. US Powerball is 1 in 292 million.


** By serious side-effect I mean something life-threatening or permanently life-changing. I don't consider feeling unwell for a few weeks a serious side effect. You get over that and move on.
Please correct with a legitimate source if I'm wrong here.

That is not true there have been over 1000 people world wide who have died from side effects of the vaccine i know 2 personally who have died as a result i have known them and their family for 40 years the doctors told them it was a complication of the vaccine and it is also listed on the death certificate as cause of death.

It is impossible to have zero deaths from a vaccine as there is always death with any medication or vaccine look up deaths due to blood thinners it is a very common occurrence as my father had died taking them he died of internal bleeding.

 

[nlinecomputers]

Over 1000? Link?

 

[britechguy]

That is not true there have been over 1000 people world wide who have died from side effects of the vaccine i know 2 personally who have died as a result i have known them and their family for 40 years the doctors told them it was a complication of the vaccine and it is also listed on the death certificate as cause of death.

It is impossible to have zero deaths from a vaccine as there is always death with any medication or vaccine look up deaths due to blood thinners it is a very common occurrence as my father had died taking them he died of internal bleeding.

It is entirely possible to have zero deaths attributable (note, attibutable) to a given vaccine or medication. The whole AstraZeneca blood clots thing, which deserved checking and got it, showed that one could not attribute those clots to the vaccine. The number of people who experienced them, and their comorbidities, was no higher than would be expected in the population at large with the same or similar comorbidities.

You believe you know two people "who have died as a result" of the vaccine because that's what you want to believe. Until you can produce scanned copy of their death certificates or a single peer reviewed study that supports this it is, quite simply, not believable.

Blood thinners have nothing to do with vaccines, and internal bleeding deaths when used too long, incorrectly, or even with individuals who have a much stronger than typical reaction to their mechanisms of action are well-documented. There's no question about that, and plenty of hard data to back it up.

 

[Galdorf]

Over 1000? Link?

Woman who died after AstraZeneca shot had 'highly unusual' symptoms, officials say

A 60-year old Danish woman who died of a blood clot after receiving AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine had "highly unusual" symptoms, the Danish Medicines Agency said late on Sunday.

www.ctvnews.ca

Norway warns of vaccination side-effects, deaths in some patients over 80 - National | Globalnews.ca

The Norwegian Medicines Agency on Thursday reported a total of 29 people had suffered side effects, 13 of them fatal. All the deaths were over the age of 80.

globalnews.ca

O.C. health worker who died after getting COVID-19 vaccine would want others to get vaccinated, wife says

Tim Zook, a 60-year-old health care worker from Orange, died on Jan. 9, just four days after taking his second dose of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine. But while his death is under investigation, hi…

ktla.com

Individual in California dies hours after receiving COVID-19 vaccine

Local, state, and federal health agencies are investigating after someone in California died shortly after receiving the coronavirus vaccine.

www.nbc15.com

Norway: 23 people die within days of getting first Covid-19 vaccine dose

Common reactions to the vaccine, including fever and nausea, "may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients," said Sigurd Hortemo of the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

www.hindustantimes.com

“If one person dies and it gets into the media, there’s a very good chance other people will see it, and they will say, ‘Wait a minute, my grandmother died a week later, too.’ And soon you have lots of deaths, and they’re all real a good reason to cover up deaths due to the vaccine
it is the best interest of pharma and the government to cover up these deaths.“

Look at the first atomic tests in the desert there we many deaths due to fallout and has been covered up by the US government for 50 years.

 

[britechguy]

Fact check: Misleading meme suggests deaths following COVID-19 vaccination are due to vaccine​

(popular press, but excellent summary)

Fact check: Clarifying claims around Pfizer vaccine deaths and side effects​

(Reuters)

Fact check: No links found between vaccination and deaths​

(DW: Germany's main media outlet)

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination​

(CDC, and it doesn't get more vetted than that)

It's fascinating to see such blatantly garbage citations and confirmation bias. Most of the cases mentioned, while definitely real, have been determined to be unconnected to the Covid-19 vaccine by those best in a position to make that determination.

I have no more respect for the lunacy that is, "I know more about the Covid-19 vaccine than the world's infectious medical experts and health protection organizations do," than I do for global climate change deniers or individuals who think that trusting "Uncle Joe about this computer issue," makes more sense than trusting an IT professional. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid!

 

[nlinecomputers]

Fact check: Misleading meme suggests deaths following COVID-19 vaccination are due to vaccine​

(popular press, but excellent summary)

Fact check: Clarifying claims around Pfizer vaccine deaths and side effects​

(Reuters)

Fact check: No links found between vaccination and deaths​

(DW: Germany's main media outlet)

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination​

(CDC, and it doesn't get more vetted than that)

It's fascinating to see such blatantly garbage citations and confirmation bias. Most of the cases mentioned, while definitely real, have been determined to be unconnected to the Covid-19 vaccine by those best in a position to make that determination.

I have no more respect for the lunacy that is, "I know more about the Covid-19 vaccine than the world's infectious medical experts and health protection organizations do," than I do for global climate change deniers or individuals who think that trusting "Uncle Joe about this computer issue," makes more sense than trusting an IT professional. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid!

Beat me to it. THIS.